At what point did you start to respect ke70/ae71

[Intense]

When I first got my ra65 I aspired to own an AE86 because it was the cheapest "performance" orientated car that had the necessities that I wanted. I never even considered the ke70's or ae71's, just considered them some shit heap 80's corolla that looked like crap and were driven by grannies.
Hardly anyone even bothered to modify them and the only seriously modified one I knew of was teh_witzl's pmpboi which appeared to be done out of boredom more than anything.
But then I found out that they were quite similar to the ae86's that I had wanted and realised that if you can forgoe the looks, they can be quite decent little performers. But by then I no longerd cared for ae86's and wanted something much newere and more powerfull, so they were still just a blip on the radar in my mind.

What really turned me around on them was seeing what Kev aka Phrostbyte did to his one. And then on a much more serious level, Karl Skewes in NZ built up a drift dedicated DX which looked tough as balls. From that point onward my opinion changed

[driftke70]

theres something in the water down in melbourne

[Intense]

Maybe I should rephrase that.

What got you into ke70's and ae71's for those that like to misinterpret things :rolleyes:

[TRD_86]

although similar, i still think Xe7X's are granny spec shit heaps

just my 2 cents

[driftke70]

i remember that morning like it was yesterday, because i had the toaster set to 3, medium brown. I walked outside and the fresh spring air hit my nostrils like you would hit a hooker on the ass. I knew from that moment there was something about that day. Something was destined to happen. I made my way to the local shops, I was so off in my own little word of slapping hookers that I was hit by a car, I looked up and saw a tan beauty, some have spoken to me before about love at first sight, but I never believed it, until now. As it stood in all its glory, quietly purring away, I knew it was the one, and that it had to be mine. From that day forth, and even to this day, upon such a delightful day it is also, I lord the keto.

[driftke70]

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/174646.jpg

[v-tec]

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Beally i think you make up 4.5% of the graph

Like most, i always loved the Ae86 but at the time i couldnt afford one as well as keep my daily. The Ae71 was cheap and it was to become a small project car.

I think the point when i truely started to respect the ke70's was when i bought an Ae86 finally.... I quickly found out that both cars are fun, but a stock Ae86 is no comparison to a ke70 thats built for drift (and obviously vice-versa).
I know I'm going to get another ae86 later down the line, because i now love both the ae86 and the ke70 for their different traits, and i still wish to do a decent built up ae86

[rthy]

only 60%? thoughted its twas more.. o whelllll

iv owned a ke70 and 2 ae71s
wouldn't buy another one unless it was like $500 with reg and close to rwc

[Intense]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (driftke70 @ Aug 2 2008, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=570219)</div>
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/174646.jpg[/b]

Wooo Victoria wins, all you other poor basturds can't even scum up the money for crack.
Vic represent yo

[patience]

Never
I respect some of the guys that are real hands on and have hardcore rides like beally
but 95% of them are pretty crap

[quadeyquade]

if only they weren't ugly :)

but i say that about most sluts

.......


sluts = old corollas???

[Poobrown86]

Own 2 86's found a nice motor, decided to build a 71, its more of a handy thing than a want thing, all the sprinter shit i've got lieing around will fit it, so why not + they only cost a hundred bux! so why not throw a 3 grand engine package in it! kill the body get a new body, win win if u ask me!

[DRFTAE86]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (intense @ Aug 2 2008, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=570192)</div>
Karl Skewes in NZ built up a drift dedicated DX which looked tough as balls. From that point onward my opinion changed[/b]

:postpics:

[Sturgey]

since my mates bro got one :)

[Course_Out]

I'm pretty much the same as v-tec, didn't want to lose my daily in the event of an on track screw up, so I did some research and discovered that ae86 bits + ae71 = basically a 4 door ae86 and snapped one up for $500. Compared to most other rwd cars for $500 it is a good base to modify with rack and pinion steering and what not, and it is light enough to cope well with hill climbs/circuit/drift without needing a billion hp and massive budget.

I actually "respected" the car once i got on the track and realised I could enjoy myself even though i hadn't spent $20k buying a turbo Nissan. And of course seeing guys like v-tec/gilly/beally making their cars look and go uber hot has made me realise the potential

Sorry to rant, but I love my car (and ae86's)

[ae71neo]

Way back in late 2004/2005 bought one as a daily. Then it all began...

[Intense]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKwGWpl6lVQ

http://www.garagedori.com/members/karls/AE70/index.php

[James86]

never

[starni_boy]

I was originally looking to rebuild an AE86, but every time one came up for sale, I couldn't afford it. I wanted a complete car, not a shell.

I then looked into KE70s, and realised they can look quite cool still. Then found one I wanted to buy, $900, one owner car with 7 months rego. Went to bid on it on ebay to find that it was taken off early due to it being sold. I got quite cut/upset that I couldn't buy this little car that I really liked. My birthday came around a month later, and my Dad had bought the exact same car for me to start rebuilding. Cashed in the rego, got $350 back for that.

[Konakid]

About 2 years ago

[ke70dave]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Meathead #2 @ Aug 2 2008, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=570453)</div>
About 2 years ago[/b]
yeah same

was a 86owner though!!

my good mate bahnugget off here, he was into these "old corollas" called sprinters, which apparently he heard about from my brother (about year 10 at the time) who was talking about this old corolla that was apparently awesome...

since mr bahnugget got his ae86 and i started helping him out alot with fixing it up, and i think from this website he found out about these ke70s, said i should get one (Since i am on uber low budget!)

and after a lot of reading and forum prowling, and comparing it with the ae86 and other possible RWD projects (was looking at the possibility of a ae92/ae82 for the 4age'ness but quickly realised FWD sucked) and finding out the "Ease" of 4age and modification ability of the ke70, i decided to get one.

so i proceeded to find a ke70 to play with (Started pretty bad....prolly wasn't the best choice in cars to buy...but worked out perfect!), and 2yrs later its still being fiddled with everyday almost, keeps me amused :2thumbs:

[h1_roll4]

i needed something cheap as a first car, i found a ke70 panno for $350

i and all of my mates started to respect it the day it started to rain

ive had 4 ke70s since. love em

[rthy]

For me it was when I looked around and looked for a corolla that was a wagon because of the amount of crap I used to carry, had a 5 speed because of the km I did and I wanted the larger 1.6L engine. With enough time I found what I wanted, it seems even then they where very uncommon. This was back in 1998, yeah I am like old and shit.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (intense @ Aug 2 2008, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=570192)</div>
What really turned me around on them was seeing what Kev aka Phrostbyte did to his one. And then on a much more serious level, Karl Skewes in NZ built up a drift dedicated DX which looked tough as balls. From that point onward my opinion changed[/b]

its funny I got Kev into it, all he had was his moms 4afe ae92 to look at before I came along and tottaly disrupted his life. After all that I have Kevs 4age just sitting in the corner of my garage waiting to be used again one day.

[stahlz_ae86]

What ever ended up happening with the building up of the car in his memory?

[floody31]

Group5 did it for me.

[57ompa]

i got one as a paddok basher when i was 15. I have always had a soft spot for them, i am onto my 10th *e7* now in 11 years and i have owned alot of other cars in that time :D

[dustyae86]

their shit

[Course_Out]

Whose shit?

[TrackRona]

What do you mean at what point did I start respecting them? its not a point where you start, its more like always. ae71's eat hachis for breakfast. ae71's are the shit. i've always seen it as the hachi's older, beefier brother. if you want a tougher/faster car, you go for the 2-door ae71, but if you want cosmetics (and pop-ups) you go for the ae86.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/4/8/4/3/174719.jpg
look at that. scary.

[Jonny Rochester]

I lived in Canada, and a workmate had a 83 Corolla wagon. I had a '78 Pontiac LeMans with V8 that I got for nothing. The Corolla cost nothing also, and had rust. But he drove it hard, it could do a burnout. At the red light, he would drive his car hard up against another car and do a burnout, while the other car was in reverse doing the same.

I got to Australia, and test drove a KE70 wagon from a car yard. It was $4500 I think, in 1995. I was very disapointed, too slow, so I didn't get it. I have never owned one.

I later find the American one had a 3T, the australian one had a 4K. That was the difference.

But I could only afford KE30s myself anyway.

[driftke70]

they were the quickest way for me to get angle, then i loved them beyond their abilities. I don't care if it had the stigma of a lada id still love it, they have charm, the way i see it, if you want to get serious about having fun or competing or what ever go get a keto, if you wanna park your car on the side of the road and take photos with your bonnet up, go get an 86.

[marvis]

I have no idea.. Have liked them since way way back.

[johl]

i like them cuz they are nanna's daily that she would drive to the bowls club every second saturday. they're just ugly cars. and i like that

[sprintdaddy]

they were the quickest way for me to get angle, then i loved them beyond their abilities. I don't care if it had the stigma of a lada id still love it, they have charm, the way i see it, if you want to get serious about having fun or competing or what ever go get a keto, if you wanna park your car on the side of the road and take photos with your bonnet up, go get an 86.


If you mean that it`s better to flog the shit out of a crappy ol keto than damage a decent car that actually has "street cred" and is worth something then yeah i`m down with that. I and no doubt thousands of other people consider the idea of goin for a cruise and and yes even sitting their with the bonnet up "FUN", not everyone is into the "ghetto" look either, some people actually like their car to look nice. I`ve done my fair share of skids, was doing them before some of you blokes were born but i love cruising, at the end of it all they are just cars, the only thing that changes anything is the person behind the wheel. I think a lot of people on here need to actually look up the word respect and figure out what it really means.

[mr2drift]

BAHAHA i still don't, theyre junk.... just happen to work is all, theres not been any ive liked until i saw the daltrim car a week ago, nice, but still a ke..

[Gilly]

:lol: 70 vs 86 thread number 4238596

[HachiRoku]

Predicting 'shit fight' status by page 4.

[mr2drift]

SWOoooiiiiiIT !!!!! I'm bored....

[steroidchickens]

haha, cannot wait for this one.

[sprintdaddy]

How about this if it wasn`t for Tsuchiya, AE86s and the hard work and generosity of Nick this sight would not be here, howabout some respect for that.

[silly]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sprintdaddy @ Aug 3 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=570835)</div>
How about this if it wasn`t for Tsuchiya, AE86s and the hard work and generosity of Nick this sight would not be here, howabout some respect for that.[/b]

amen. althought the ke70/ae71 is still a good car, and a cheap alternative to the ae86 :)

[anastasios]

sliding a sedan is cool period, u guys can have your pretty 2 doors and rusty hatches, hatches are for chicks

[Konakid]

AE71 > ADM 86

End.

[tetsujin]

its all about being cool, and the KE is far too cool :)

And wins.. :)

[sly1300]

not a huge fan of the 86. dunno why, just not keen on its shape for some reason?
the hatch in particular is urrgh, but the notch back is cool.
plus ever since they became popular, REALISTIC prices for what they are worth have gone out the window.
takumi tax = BULLSHIT.

i prefer being able to use my fun car (e7) as a confortable daily if need be too.
4 doors/ seat etc does make it easier to cart around mates
got a boot for tools/esky/ whatever
plus the police don't seem to take much notice of my lil old 80's corolla
sure they are kinda ugly, but its a nice, boxy, chunky kinda ugly
hard to explain, but I'm an old mazda pervert as well (got 1300 wagons and 808's) so my styling cues are somewhat misguided to the most of you loyal toyota heads. lol

but i hate the fact that every man and his dog is going ghetto in his e7.
makes it hard for us that want our ketos to look nice and not pigish to not fall under the
"oh yeah, another ghetto 70 driver" tag :(
mine runs full trim, a decent stereo, and comfortable and legal seats.
makes a big difference when the po=po pull you over.


either way, the 86 and the e7 are a fucking great little car to drive spiritedly.
its just that 86 = more money than the humble e7 driver.

[kaibeecee]

ke's will always be the bastard underling of the 86. the cheap mans expendable drift pig, always the buy-to-bash up car, and they'll always have that reputation regardless of how many kids plead they're equal to, or better than the ae86.

[ke70dave]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sLy1300 @ Aug 4 2008, 09:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=570898)</div>
but i hate the fact that every man and his dog is going ghetto in his e7.
makes it hard for us that want our ketos to look nice and not pigish to not fall under the
"oh yeah, another ghetto 70 driver" tag :(
mine runs full trim, a decent stereo, and comfortable and legal seats.
makes a big difference when the po=po pull you over.


either way, the 86 and the e7 are a fucking great little car to drive spiritedly.
its just that 86 = more money than the humble e7 driver.[/b]

its interesting how so many people do let their ke70/ae71 go to the crap...its almost like being "ghetto" has some sort of reputation status attached to it..."look at me I'm so cool cause my car is so crap" sort of thing..

ill never understand it.

my KE is certainly not ghetto, its missing a few interior bits here and there, but like you i have full stereo and 95% of the trim still in tact (the other 5% is either destroyed or rattled....)

another interesting thing that i have just come up with, that in the long run it is probably cheaper to modify an ae86 than a ke70. sure the initial out cost is alot greater, but take into account that the ae86 has the T50/hydraulic clutch setup, and also the "proper" sized front struts to accept both decent brakes and decent shocks.

the only real price advantage the ke has is the fact that REPLACEMENT parts, such as panels, interior, and specific ae86 stuff that can't be stolen off a ke70. this also comes down to how you treat your car....

in short, sure i like the shape of the ae86, but i think i like my car more, not because it looks better, or performs better, but because i've put all the work into it, and can see the results. most people see my car as an 80's box with stupid mods, but i see it as my little project car that one day will be finished and looking and performing schmick! (we all know that will never happen, but i can aim right:P)

[sprintdaddy]

I think the basic problem here is that most KE drivers have an inferiority complex, so they feel the need to do some hachi- bashing to make themselves feel superior, if you`se don`t like things the way they are you can always start your own club/ forum for KEs and other models because to be truthful I and probably a lot of others are sick to death of AE/KE arguments, it`s bullshit they are just cars so get the fuk over yourselves, if i needed another car and it was cheap enough i`d buy a KE just to drive around in but my 86 is my pride and joy, which is the reason i joined this forum not to sit here and argue with wet eared schoolboys but i feel i have to voice my opinion on this particular subject.

regards Mick

[lowau]

AE86 are nice but paying $5K for a crappy ADM corolla is pushing it for me.

I managed to buy and auto rust free KE70 for $500 and I have spent arount $1000 so far sourcing parts(suspension and engine) for the upcomming 4age conversion. I rekon I can get it on the road with 4age for $2K.

That was my reason not to get an AE86.....but I still like them :)

[tricky_dan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sprintdaddy @ Aug 4 2008, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=570931)</div>
I think the basic problem here is that most KE drivers have an inferiority complex, so they feel the need to do some hachi- bashing to make themselves feel superior, if you`se don`t like things the way they are you can always start your own club/ forum for KEs and other models because to be truthful I and probably a lot of others are sick to death of AE/KE arguments, it`s bullshit they are just cars so get the fuk over yourselves, if i needed another car and it was cheap enough i`d buy a KE just to drive around in but my 86 is my pride and joy, which is the reason i joined this forum not to sit here and argue with wet eared schoolboys but i feel i have to voice my opinion on this particular subject.

regards Mick[/b]

umm did you just say 'you`se'? further more, on the internet! many other things wrong with that post,

but i think it took me a while to really respect E7s as ive always thought of the 86 having a sportier look that a KE, so i think about 6 months ago (after years of forum trawling) did i start to respect them and realise they can look really hot! add that with a very similar chassis/engine etc requirements to the 86 and you've got yourself one nasty performer ;)

interesting KE70dave about 86s being potentially cheaper, I'm guessing a jdm 86 would be cheaper still in the long run with a 4age? (rather than buying a stock E7, doing all the driveline, suspension, engine, a respray of some sort)

[slydar]

when i built one. awesome. incredibly fun, discreet yet still tough. stiffer, lighter? still look good, just a different era of styling, and possibly a better rear CG.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Meathead #2 @ Aug 4 2008, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=570858)</div>
AE71 > ADM 86

End.[/b]


hmm, can see where youre coming from there, but dunno..

youre still missing struts you can build coil overs out of/use rcas/ps arms with, a tailshaft that will (half)work with an lsd diff, front brakes, a much more efi compatible loom, re sale value.. there are pros for the 71 too, of course, but its way to close to call.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kaibeecee @ Aug 4 2008, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=570915)</div>
ke's will always be the bastard underling of the 86. the cheap mans expendable drift pig, always the buy-to-bash up car, and they'll always have that reputation regardless of how many kids plead they're equal to, or better than the ae86.[/b]

... maybe, man if you can't see out side the square that is 86dc :)


but anyway, if you crunch the numbers, you wouldn't be an idiot if you came up with ke70s as being the best vehicle available in australia to build an entry level motorsport worthy car from, including considering any datsun/mazda ect.

at present the only thing "holding them back" is the reliance on the use of some semi difficult/over priced parts(e.g, 86 strut casings, ae71 pedal box, t18 diff ect), if built in the "traditional" way.

but ill have solutions for all of those problems in the not too distant future.

[ae71]

all those they are they are the same chassis, they do feel different. i have driving many ke70, ae71 and t-18 they feel similar but sprinters feel different, I'm not sure how they just do.

maybe its the ora that surround them? they are worth so much your fucking scared your going to crash them lol

oh and to add to slydas comment, I'm helping to cut the prices on some previously over priced parts

[slydar]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ae71 @ Aug 4 2008, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=570980)</div>
all those they are they are the same chassis, they do feel different. i have driving many ke70, ae71 and t-18 they feel similar but sprinters feel different, I'm not sure how they just do.

maybe its the ora that surround them? they are worth so much your fucking scared your going to crash them lol

oh and to add to slydas comment, I'm helping to cut the prices on some previously over priced parts[/b]

its CG and flex.

a 86 coupe would be more similar to a keto. with the weight of the hatch/glass up high with the hatch body type effects how the car handles.

to explain, similar concept to putting a CF bonnet on, remove weight from up high on the front of the car, car turns in better.

same deal, but the other end of the car.

flex. 86s doors are huge.. the sill/rail has a huge span with no reinforcement, (keto has a b pillar half way along) causing low torsional rigidity.

[patience]

KE drivers are bashing the prices of 86s alot, some are overvalued yes.. but usually that is minty JDM collectors.

There are alot of decent 86s going for cheep cheep these days. Would much rather buy one of those.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lowau @ Aug 4 2008, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=570940)</div>
AE86 are nice but paying $5K for a crappy ADM corolla is pushing it for me.

I managed to buy and auto rust free KE70 for $500 and I have spent arount $1000 so far sourcing parts(suspension and engine) for the upcomming 4age conversion. I rekon I can get it on the road with 4age for $2K.

That was my reason not to get an AE86.....but I still like them :)[/b]

[balistic]

Last I checked this was "ae86drivingclub" :huh:

All I see is a lot of KE70 owners making excuses as to why they like KE70 over AE86 to cover the fact they don't own one! :o

$5k for an AE86? I've bought 3 for less $5k all up! :lol:

[samuel]

Some things are going to be changing soon.

This thread is bullshit

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