ke or ae

[emmyy3]

hi guys

im looking to buy my first car...just wondering what peoples thoughts are on what i should get...a ke70 or an ae86.

i know people might say 'it depends blah blah'

just want to know peoples personal opinions though on what they prefer and whats better for a first car (prices, possible problems with the car...etc.)

[Steery]

i think it all depends on how much you are willing to spend on a first car.

86 if you can afford it.

[balistic]

ae = 2 doors
ke = 4 doors

Up to you if you want 2 door sporty hatch or 4 doors sedan? As far as mods and prices go for everything else they are basically the same coz they use basically the same aftermarket parts.

[emmyy3]

yeah lately ive been getting into sedans...but the ae is pretty nice as well.
its such a hard decision.
right now i have about 300 saved up, wont get me much. but my birthdays coming up soon and ill probably get about 300 or so out of that..


dont really want to spend more then a grand if i dont have to..plus i want to put mods in it.

[riojin]

you would be extremely lucky to pick up an ae86 for that prices that is registered. if you dont mind a project you could get one if you wait and look around enough.

you could probably get a rego'd ke for a grand or less.

[Steery]

for 1k you could probably get a pos with some serious cancer (AE) or a decent KE.

[gumbie]

Well by the looks of your budget, an AE86 is out of the price range for you, so go with a Keto :). I Prefer the 4door dorifto beasties anyways. But it's all up to personal opinion, there is really no point in asking us what car you should buy, because it's up to you, not anyone else, that is of course unless you are buying the car to impress others.

[anastasios]

do u also mean ae71?

[emmyy3]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (anastasios @ Sep 8 2008, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=585241)</div>
do u also mean ae71?[/b]

ae71s go alright...but what would be the pricing on them?

and my personal opinion is that i like them all! im just stuck on what to get. its a hard decision. i could probably gather more $$ if i needed to.

theres a white keto that lives down my street, its berry nice...but i also see some hectic ae's driving past my house.

basically i want something that would look tuff as and have minimal performance problems, and not cost THAT much.

haha i think im going in circles here

[fergo308]

if all you'll have is $600,cars period are out for you. add a zero to end of that amount before you start looking at anything you'd want to think seriously about. $1000 and below cars all have one thing in common,they're rubbish. especially when it's your first car ever,that you're going to want to drive daily,everywhere to do everything.
harsh,yes. realistic,also yes. cars cost real money. your budget says pushbike.


Justin...

[monkae86]

from ur budget id defiantly go a keto.

it is still possible to find a relatively good condition one for about a grand. plus for ur first car ull wanting to be driving ur mates/girlfriend around so 4 door is more practical.

i got mine for 600 and it had only a few bits of rust to take out and it was fine.

plus they are a more superior car :P *runs away*

[emmyy3]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fergo308 @ Sep 8 2008, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=585384)</div>
if all you'll have is $600,cars period are out for you. add a zero to end of that amount before you start looking at anything you'd want to think seriously about. $1000 and below cars all have one thing in common,they're rubbish. especially when it's your first car ever,that you're going to want to drive daily,everywhere to do everything.
harsh,yes. realistic,also yes. cars cost real money. your budget says pushbike.


Justin...[/b]


as i said, i can gather more money if i keep working. if i need more $, then ill find it. i was just wondering if it would be possible to get a car (shitbox or not, and the ke's and ae's i menttioned before) for around that. And i have a friend that got a keto for 100 bucks..i mean it was auto and had a bit of rust but still, 100 bucks.

Plus, i'm pretty sure my parentals would chip in.

Rubbish is good, more motivation to improve. :)

[Golberg]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fergo308 @ Sep 8 2008, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=585384)</div>
if all you'll have is $600,cars period are out for you. add a zero to end of that amount before you start looking at anything you'd want to think seriously about. $1000 and below cars all have one thing in common,they're rubbish. especially when it's your first car ever,that you're going to want to drive daily,everywhere to do everything.
harsh,yes. realistic,also yes. cars cost real money. your budget says pushbike.


Justin...[/b]
I wouldn't necessarily say all cars under $1000 are rubbish, you've just gotta look around. A couple of weeks ago I bought an AE71 with 102,000k's on the clock, not even a hint of rust, the thing is immaculate. The only issue with it was a minor front end incident, a new guard and bumper and the car was sweet again. I've newer known a 4AC to be as healthy as this one, and it cost me $550.

[import_love]

ae71. i have one and i stand by them, cheaper, lighter, more of a sleeper seeming no one knows about em. they have all the same bits as an adm ae86 in the way of engine. where are you in the se subs of melbourne??

[Driftspec]

If its your first car, I would probably go for a KE70/AE71. Seriously, they will be cheaper to buy, rego and insure, than an AE86. Secondly, you will probably find yourself trying to skid and drift the AE86 (its a horrible generalisation, I know, but I know a lot of people that think they are dorikin because they drive a 'drift' car), and if you don't really know how to drive it properly, you will find yourself in a lot of trouble very quickly.

If its a first car, you need to be realistic. I'm sorry, but what fergo said is partly true - cars need money to run, money to upgrade and improve, money to maintain, and if its a first car, its better to be something that is reasonable, but not too much, something that is easy and cheap to repair if you do have an incident. My first car was a Nissan Navara ute - cheap to run, insure, maintain, and I drove it for well over a year. It was great to learn how to drive in (and I had a few incidents on the road too - some scary moments), and when I got my AE86, I was ready for the challenge of learning how to drive that well.

So at the end of the day, if its a first car, stick with the *E7*, and work yourself to improving your driving skills, while saving towards an AE86 if thats what you want in the future. Obvious bonus there, is that, for the most part, any upgraded parts you buy should fit into an AE86.


Note: moved to General Discussion area, more appropriate.

[emmyy3]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (import_love @ Sep 8 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=585431)</div>
ae71. i have one and i stand by them, cheaper, lighter, more of a sleeper seeming no one knows about em. they have all the same bits as an adm ae86 in the way of engine. where are you in the se subs of melbourne??[/b]

east malvern/carnegie area.



Reading all this and more from other resources, i think it is safe to say that ae86's are quite the expensive car to buy and maintain. Although i would like one, there are others that i take a liking to as well and by the looks of things are much more my-budget-friendly eg. ketos.

in response to your saying that any upgraded parts should fit into an AE86, would they not in a ke? i sound so stupid but im learning...:)

[slydar]

re above, i dont think its a horrible generalisation to think some one is gonna want to try to drift there first car, not matter what it is. most red blooded males like to participate in this type of thing, regardless of what their taste is in cars.

get a ke/ae71, decide if you actually even like corollas, if you do, maybe get an ae86 later. lots of people crash their first car, and its no big deal, but its less of a big deal in a ke/ae71. although an ae86 is not beyond anyones grasp if they really want one, by the sounds of it it may be a decent financial blow to you if you wreck it. the corolla not so much :)

[emmyy3]

RE ABOVE, im a female :lol:


and i know i like corollas, ive loved them ever since i knew what cars were. plus heaps of my firends have them, and are WIKKID.

As for crashing a first car, hmm. i do know how to drive responsibly, but i guess thats what everyone says and then their walking to work whilst their smashed up Beema sits in the front garden cause they have no $$$ to fix it and daddy refuses to pay.

[GAKI86]

mazda 323 1979 theyre rear wheel drive :D

[rthy]

yea ke70s, heaps (well maybe not now) to crash and they are cheap to replace.

btw people think ur cheap if u drive these bombed out corollas n sprinters (use to get bagged at work when i had my ae82 4agze/ae86 trueno/ae71 sedan of death - worked in a hospital)
maybe a nice ae92?

[zemeron]

firstly thankyou..its great to see women interested in these cars and this culture.

second. will u be paying for costs eg insurance petrol?
if so then u can afford to go all out on ur cash.
if not then id only spend 300 coz u'll have to do rego, insurance and the constant cost of petrol and services.

in my experience, i'd buy a ke70/ae71 purely coz u can buy one from an old lady and you can trust it. they're cheap, parts are cheap and they're good to run.

hope u find a good deal and keep us posted ok?

[provan]

there's a ke70 n ae71 for sale somewhere in footscray.
went to see the car 2 weeks ago.
ke70 (A) good condition
ae71 (M) some rust

[Intense]

I'd just keep saving.
The more money you have, the better car you'll be able to get. And it's more likely that a good cheap car will come along because it'll take a bit of time to get some money together. Good things come to those who wait. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/board/in...showtopic=35339 (http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/board/index.php?showtopic=35339) is a perfect example of what you could get with a bit more cash. Better off getting something in good condition as anything that's screwed is only going to cost even more to fix.

[Driftspec]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (emmyy3 @ Sep 8 2008, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=585463)</div>
in response to your saying that any upgraded parts should fit into an AE86, would they not in a ke? i sound so stupid but im learning...:)[/b]

For the most part, KE70/AE71 can swap parts with AE86s - they are essentially the same car (same chassis, different body, isnt it?). So, eg, a lot of suspension parts can be swapped over to go straight into an AE86 if you bought and fit them into a KE70. Thats the case with a lot of parts, such as the engine, gearbox, diff, even down to struts. And then you can take it further, a lot of people use parts from totally different cars in their *E7*'s and AE86's as well. So from that perspective, it probably doesn't matter too much if you gor for an *E7* now, and save for an AE86 later, as you can move the parts across, and save you some money.

[GAKI86]

id go with intense there, save first decide later..

600 bucks seems like good enuff for rego paper, OR look for a VOLVO GLT turbo which many car salesmen struggle to get rid of these vehicular abominations, my co worker got his for 800 bucks with 12 months where he paid 200 for the pitwork :D

keep an eye out for these cars they look a lil iffy but you can still do some fun in rainy days!!

(so save like around 4k then cross your fingers for an ae86 to be on sale for that price ",)

[Gunner]

I would, make sure i have a job, then go to the parentals, and say, look ma look pa, i have a job and im workin real hard to save money for a car, but, i don't wanna buy some shitbox, because i want to be safe, (its all about safety, and reliability for parentals) And see if they chuck some more moolah in, it will work better if u save 1-2k yourself, and see if they will match it, especially if your trying to be safe, and buy a good roadworthy car

[anastasios]

i would go for a 70

[emmyy3]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ke70mate @ Sep 8 2008, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=585519)</div>
firstly thankyou..its great to see women interested in these cars and this culture.

second. will u be paying for costs eg insurance petrol?
if so then u can afford to go all out on ur cash.
if not then id only spend 300 coz u'll have to do rego, insurance and the constant cost of petrol and services.

in my experience, i'd buy a ke70/ae71 purely coz u can buy one from an old lady and you can trust it. they're cheap, parts are cheap and they're good to run.

hope u find a good deal and keep us posted ok?[/b]

yeah i have to pay for insurance, petrol, rego etc. its a bummer but my parents say if i want a car then i have to "take full responsibility" which means paying for EVERYTHING. senile old bats.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jefz @ Sep 9 2008, 12:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=585568)</div>
there's a ke70 n ae71 for sale somewhere in footscray.
went to see the car 2 weeks ago.
ke70 (A) good condition
ae71 (M) some rust[/b]

Do you know how much they are going for?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gunbz-r @ Sep 9 2008, 07:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=585593)</div>
I would, make sure i have a job, then go to the parentals, and say, look ma look pa, i have a job and im workin real hard to save money for a car, but, i don't wanna buy some shitbox, because i want to be safe, (its all about safety, and reliability for parentals) And see if they chuck some more moolah in, it will work better if u save 1-2k yourself, and see if they will match it, especially if your trying to be safe, and buy a good roadworthy car[/b]

Yeah i was planning on doing that, going to them 'listen i saved up all this (normally i'm shithouse at saving), arent you proud? please reward me with a donation of funds towards a vehicle' or something along those lines. haha.

Plus, i can suck up to my dad, plus i remember him saying he'd even pay for a car for me. So that helps LOTS.




All in all, i think i might sell worthless belongings of mine eg. rollerblades on ebay and get some cash out of that, and continue to save for a few months.

how much would an engine conversion cost approximately? again...learning :P

[Gunner]

as with everything with cars it depends, is it getting done at a workshop, is someone gonna do it at mates rates, can you get a cheap motor yada yada yada, you can go on forever.

But if you had say 4-5k you could get a 4age keto

[ke70dave]

one think id like to say is

Everyone sais "you will crash your first car"

if you dont drive like an IDIOT, you wont crash, and if you do drive like an idiot, then well as bad as it sounds, you prolly deserve to crash and maybe you will learn your lesson

i haven't crashed any cars (license for around 4 years now), and i know lots of people that haven't, but still have alot of fun in their cars.

as for the AE/KE thing

just remember that whatever you think a car will cost, multiply that cost by about 3, and have a bit more cash than that....

when i first bought my ke (about 2yrs ago), i had this plan to have it 4age'd within about 6months......2years later it still hasn't happened (it is very close though...), there is just ALOT of stuff to be done on these old cars (to make them decent that is, you can get away with it..but you'll regret it)

fantastic cars to work on though, and make great projects :2thumbs:

[daf304]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (emmyy3 @ Sep 8 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=585211)</div>
hi guys

im looking to buy my first car...just wondering what peoples thoughts are on what i should get...a ke70 or an ae86.

i know people might say 'it depends blah blah'

just want to know peoples personal opinions though on what they prefer and whats better for a first car (prices, possible problems with the car...etc.)[/b]

Hey there,

Personally, for a first car, I'd go with the KE70. Like many people have said, the KE will be the cheapest of the two, and both engine parts/panels are readily available for when/if something happens. And as said earlier, the two cars will share almost all upgrade options, so if you are heading towards the modified path, both have equal potential. Only major advantage to the AE86 is that it already has an A series engine, so, should you want to go down the 4AGE path in the future, the AE86 will be a little easier.

Price wise, the AE86 will cost you alot more than any KE70. That being said, what you pay for either will really come from what you are after in a first car. If you want to spend $500 on a rego'd KE70, <strike>chances are</strike> it will have it's fair share of dings and <strike>probably</strike> will be painful to look at, but if you/your dad/friends are capable of some basic body work and spray painting, then for a couple of hundred more, you can straighten out the panels and give it a coat of paint and have a pretty fresh looking car that will be better to get around in. On the other hand, if you don't have access to any of those skills, then I'd save alot more money and look to getting a better condition one.

Problem wise, K series are pretty much indestructible, whilst 4AC's in the 86 are about the same. (If you get a 4AGE converted one then that is a superior engine to both but I don't think you will find a converted AE/KE for a small price) Mechanically you shouldn't have many problems with either of the two if you keep it stock and treat it well. Things will start to go wrong when/if you start changing things or flog them like there is no tomorrow.

I guess in a way, you are really paying for looks if you go for an 86 over a 70. One is 4 door, one is 2, and both are 25year old cars with interchangeable parts. Personally if your are low on money, go the KE70, unless you really, really want the 86.

I went the KE70 path. $500 got me a dinted, faded car, but it had 6 months rego and barely any rust. I spent $200 panel beating it and did a respray and it looks micky-mouse. That was 2 years ago, and I am still driving it today. Just be smart about what you do in it and it will be pretty unlucky if it gets crashed.

Good luck with what ever of the two you choose. They are both great cars to have fun with :2thumbs:

-Alex

[h1_roll4]

i got a ke for my first car and i would suggest the same.
cheap, light, easy to work on, heaps of mods.
ive had 4 now and i havnt paid more then 600 for any of them.
all with minimal rust, manual and running fine