New guys saying hi

[Vukie]

Hi Guys,

have been reading the forums for a while and thought i would post and say hi.

Im looking to get into a ae71/86 with a 4age to be used as my daily to get me to work and back and just have a few questions

- i understand the 4ac's have aircon, do most cars with engine swaps have AC? is it hard to do, im after something that has working AC and heating.
- reliability, what are the 20+ yr old 4age's like, i understand its an old car and motor, but ill be sitting in traffic for 40 min each way and dont really want to have any issues with overheating ect and visiting the mechanics every weekend.
- Im looking for one thats is as stock as possible, im fine with stock suspention and exhaust all im after really is one that has a neat engine conversion already done and has all the bugs ironed out, what should i expect to pay?
- issues to look for with the conversion?
- defects with the conversion, is it allowed? i have read on the forums that because the engine numbers from the 4ac and 4age both look the same that it usually gets passed at the RTA, is there anything that needs to be done to make it totally legal? and if the car has a defect what needs to be done to clear it?


Any other general advice would be greatly appreciated, have always been a fan of the 86 but im not to fussed which i end up in as its just a daily, also would prefer to avoid paying the Tak tax if possible. If you guys know of any relativley neat cars for sale feel free to drop me a PM.

Cheers,
Vukie

[MJ86]

Where are you from, location?.

[marvis]

4age + stock suspension = Stupid. Have you driven one?

Location, as mentioned will help with the legality of things.

I'm guessing it won't be drifted or anything, so the engine will be fine. They love a thrashing and go forever.

marvis.

[Vukie]

Im in Sydney,

im not too fussed on the suspension, if its got something after market, great, if not thats ok too, just dont want to get into anything that is too low and will be very stiff and bouncy.

I haven't driven one yet, but if someone is willing to throw me the keys i would be happy to.

[sonsta]

yeh but whats the point of having a car with a cool engine conversion and not being able to use it cos of ur shitty stock suspension.

suspension first...learn to drive
then get yourself some power

[Vukie]

OK getting a bit OT here, its just a daily, wanted one with a 4age so its got a little more poke and its efi instead of carbie

[rthy]

Q - i understand the 4ac's have aircon, do most cars with engine swaps have AC? is it hard to do, im after something that has working AC and heating.
A - No

Q - reliability, what are the 20+ yr old 4age's like, i understand its an old car and motor, but ill be sitting in traffic for 40 min each way and dont really want to have any issues with overheating ect and visiting the mechanics every weekend.
A- IF done correctly it will last a life time, IF.

Q - Im looking for one thats is as stock as possible, im fine with stock suspention and exhaust all im after really is one that has a neat engine conversion already done and has all the bugs ironed out, what should i expect to pay?
A - $2000, but expect problems.
Otherwise buy JDM

Q - issues to look for with the conversion?
A- Everything

Q - defects with the conversion, is it allowed? i have read on the forums that because the engine numbers from the 4ac and 4age both look the same that it usually gets passed at the RTA, is there anything that needs to be done to make it totally legal? and if the car has a defect what needs to be done to clear it?
A - Depends on state, has been covered many times before, otherwise
technically yes, the motor did come factory for AE86 as a option in Japan.
technically no, adm ae86's didn't come out factory with EFi - unless proven.
AE71's didn't come out factory with a 4age, ever. 2tg maybe?

Q - wanted one with a 4age so its got a little more poke and its efi instead of carbie
A- AE82 Twincam or AE93 Sx/GTi, cheaper, cleaner, safer.

[sun_moon]

get a twinky or an aw11 mr2... factory 4age and disc brakes and many other things most converted ae86s wont have.

[squish_m8]

+1 on the twinkies save you a lot of problems and are cheaper

[slydar]

tbh. it sounds like that car you want is quite a rare bird.

you want a good condition and properly 4age converted ae86 or ae71 with ac.

those just arent around. there are a few 86s like that. expect to pay $6000+ for what i interpret you want. but.. theyre just not around.

really what you need is an import.

re defect/registration. lots of converted ae86s have been registered without a mod plate. but its not "right" and you definitely can get defected by any traffic cop with more than a peanut for a brain.

to get it off. you will need it mod plated. proper intake/ait filter system, cat converter, ULP fuel filler neck etc.

youre better off to get it mod plated in the first place, as in ths situation, youre more likely to have the mod plate dude go easy on you, and then, once you have the blue plate, less likely to get picked up for little things.

[Sam-Q]

I know someone with a smallport 4age that has never been started...

[DAMO46]

i think were being a bit harsh.

if thats what the fella wants then let him have it.

i bet when 100% of you guys were young you used to think of stupid shit cause i rememeber i sure did lol

[Golberg]

tbh. it sounds like that car you want is quite a rare bird.

you want a good condition and properly 4age converted ae86 or ae71 with ac.

those just arent around. there are a few 86s like that. expect to pay $6000+ for what i interpret you want. but.. theyre just not around.


They are around, just their owners aren't interested in parting with them because they've gone through so much to get the car to that stage.

If somebody wanted to buy my AE71 I'd want a mint for it to even contemplate selling it. It has aircon, power steering, JDM 4AGE and everything rebuilt and done properly.

Your best bet to get what you want is to build it yourself (if you have the skills to) or otherwise pay somebody else to build it for you. But then again if you pay somebody else to do it then you have no idea what the quality is going to be like.

I'd build you what you want, but you'd have to pay me greatly for it.

Or come drive my sprinter with a mint 4AC in it, and you'll be blown away with how well a fresh 4AC goes.

[focus_7]

Nothin wrong with a decent 4AC

[Golberg]

Nothin wrong with a decent 4AC

Most people think that 4AC's are absolute turds, but that's because most have already done 200,000k's and are well down on power. But a fresh one goes really well for what it is.

[dave2221]

bugger all that

just by my car and be done with it.

its a clean sprinter, with all the bits you want to do for a mild street car

i have been driving my car daily for 10 months, too and from wollongong regularly and never have any troubles.

i also have Air Con parts, so its almost done for you.

[ke70dave]

Nothin wrong with a decent 4AC

the smartest thing said in this thread so far

underated engine, they go hard for what they are, and a standard 16V 4age isnt all that great anyway. mine goes good, but not THAT much better than a decent 4ac.

things to note

relaiability: is DIRECTLY proportional to maintenance and quality of insall (thats where you come in, maintenance part)

legalities: FORGET asking questions on here, pick up a phone and call someone who makes the rules.

oldness: all the cars and engines we all play with are 25yrs old, ie. all stuffed. anything that is clean and in perfect order has had someone spend alot of time and cash on it. they are rare, and like goldberg sais, be prepared to pay alot for them. and ae86/ke70/ae71 in stock form are completly pathetic in terms of suspension. so your gonna want something a bit better even just for normal driving with the standard 4kc/4ac. it will frustrate you! and if you want a GE, then your definately going to need something new, even if its just new shocks and new/stiffer springs.

[DAMO46]

dave you selling up?

[Javal]

4AC AE71s and AE86s DID come with aircon. It's a rare factory option, or a retrofit.

You will struggle to find a car like this with the aircon in working condition. Man up, invest in some sunscreen and thug-arm it on hot days.

Finding a 4AGE converted xe7x or AE86 with working A/C is pretty much not going to happen.

Finding a factory fitted 4AGE AE86 with A/C can happen, it will be an import, and be prepared to pay for it.

I also agree with most of the people in here, upgrading your suspension before fitting a more powerful motor IS the right way to go about things.

[Vukie]

thanks for the replies guys, seems a bit of a varied response but exactly the kind of info im after. The AC is a biggie for me, my drive to work is 40 min and i dont want to turn up with a wet patch down my back in summer lol, i guess if its rare to find i might have to reconsider, Maybe if i find a 4AC with AC it could be the go but i would like to drive one to compare.

Also didnt think the suspension would be that bad but if it needs doing then ill have to consider that also unless i find one with it already done.

Cheers for the help guys, much appreciated

[driftke70]

corona?

mines straight, goes well, was relatively cheap and has working aircon

[Golberg]

Stock ADM AE86s with aircon aren't rare, from what I've seen more ADM AE86s had it than didn't.

All three AE71's I have owned had aircon. Its not uncommon to find CS-X AE71's with aircon, I'd say a large proportion of them had it. Its very uncommon to see CS AE71's with aircon though, almost all KE70's didn't have it either.

In all seriousness though if you want to see how well a fresh 4AC goes, pm me and I'll take you for a spin sometime in my sprinter.

[driftke70]

all 86s ive ever been in have provisions on the dash for aircon that once lived

[dave2221]

dave you selling up?

quite possibly


losing too many points in it.

if i dont sell it in 2 weeks ill spend 5g on it and keep it.
rims, engine rebuild, rx7 brakes ect