How do you get MAXIMUM LOCK

[crazy86]

Hi everyone, ive got an 86 i use only for drift. Im using power steerig arms, roll center adj, about 3 deg- camber. At the moment on full lock it rubs on fire wall and inside wall. Im using 15/8.5 -19 up front with 195/50. I dont want to use smaller as they are nice. I have new AJPS lock spacer to put on but dont see the point cause it already rubs. How can i get MAXIMUM LOCK (90deg + haha) for crazy angle?

[rthy]

extra track and adjust castor?

[shichi~]

test a slip on spacer if it still rubs (probs will) tub it ?

[ae86]

u told urself the answer, less wide wheels, just put smaller width ones one when drifting (ma61s) or something along the lines of that

[crazy86]

test a slip on spacer if it still rubs (probs will) tub it ?

haha wish i could tub

[crazy86]

extra track and adjust castor?

got adj castors, so like sigma lcas

[Clinton]

gte a hammer and hit where it rubs until it doesnt rub anymore...

[70XIN]

smaller width wheels, smaller tyres, longer control arms, extra lock spacers/rack ends, extra lock steering arms (hey-man, 'D1', etc)

[H8CHIR6KU]

gte a hammer and hit where it rubs until it doesnt rub anymore...

haha hes already done that. btw this thing rubs hardcore. to the point where it has burn marks on the inside of the car.

alex man you need longer lca's adjust the castor out some more and run a less wider rim

do that and you may be able to run that lock spacer

[stanzzza]

s13 front, with 326 or hey man knuckles and ikeada forumal lca's = insane lock

Or put cheese tires on the front and learn how to 4 wheel slide.

[Jonny Rochester]

Longer lower control arms, + 10mm. (KE55 or XT130 or similar control arms).

[Nikkojoe]

haha hes already done that. btw this thing rubs hardcore. to the point where it has burn marks on the inside of the car.

alex man you need longer lca's adjust the castor out some more and run a less wider rim

do that and you may be able to run that lock spacer

hahaha, like mine

except im already running longer lca's and a 6.5" rim and still rubbing :)

Almost to the point where the only way it would work is if i used my 15x8.5 -21 rims up front which doesn't rub at all (if castor adjusted), but its stupid.

[H8CHIR6KU]

alex i will show you a pic of my lock. locks so far out that i hit the bracket that holds my brake line on the car body

[Golberg]

I don't think its been said yet, but run small diameter rims.

13's or something.

[Konakid]

What?

Stay with your rim and tyre package.

get 10mm longer lower control arms and adjust your castor to be more positive.

Will need to run a 5mm slip on spacer to run the lock spacer.

Oh and bash where it rubs if its rubbing on a seam, bash it flat.

[crazy86]

What?

Stay with your rim and tyre package.

get 10mm longer lower control arms and adjust your castor to be more positive.

Will need to run a 5mm slip on spacer to run the lock spacer.

Oh and bash where it rubs if its rubbing on a seam, bash it flat.

thankyou, thats what i was looking for. probably should have asked what other peeps have done to get the lock using those rims.

[crazy86]

s13 front, with 326 or hey man knuckles and ikeada forumal lca's = insane lock

Or put cheese tires on the front and learn how to 4 wheel slide.

whats the knuckles and ikeada formual lca's

[--Redwork--]

Longer LCA. bash what hits and less ankermans will get you mass lock and help with your scrubing probs.

[H8CHIR6KU]

its already been bashed to the point where it is starting to seperate

i still think it will need more than just longer lca. it rubs enough that longer lca is just gonna change the spot that it rubs.

add more castor and if thats not enough the narrow the width of the rim

[--Redwork--]

Why run skinny rims.?? Ain;t gunna change much unless you run a skinnier tyre too YUK...

If its rubing on the fire wall then you don't have enough castor... Like no where near enough.... We just fitted 8.5 -10 to a mates car and it hit on the fire wall.. and it was running nearly no castor.. talkin like 1.5 degrees.. quick bash and it was sorted...

Need more info on your setup.. (show some pics) Do your wheels rub at the front of your guards too.? have you trimmed them.?


And as stated earlier.... ONCE you sort your rubbing issue... Lock spacer and then some modded knuckles... Or ask H8CHIR6KU how he did his setup...

[crazy86]

[QUOTE=--Redwork--;93962]Why run skinny rims.?? Ain;t gunna change much unless you run a skinnier tyre too YUK...

sorry aaron but i agree. i like my rims, there porn.
just because you get caught having sex on the beach, dosnt mean you stop having sex, just find somewhere else.

got d max wide fenders
ill try get pics
its gotta happen

[H8CHIR6KU]

Why run skinny rims.?? Ain;t gunna change much unless you run a skinnier tyre too YUK...

If its rubing on the fire wall then you don't have enough castor... Like no where near enough.... We just fitted 8.5 -10 to a mates car and it hit on the fire wall.. and it was running nearly no castor.. talkin like 1.5 degrees.. quick bash and it was sorted...

Need more info on your setup.. (show some pics) Do your wheels rub at the front of your guards too.? have you trimmed them.?


And as stated earlier.... ONCE you sort your rubbing issue... Lock spacer and then some modded knuckles... Or ask H8CHIR6KU how he did his setup...

ok. maybe read my post again. i dont think i got my point across.


i think it needs more than just longer lca's. add more castor and if thats not enough then narrow the width of the rim

1. put in the longer lca's
2. dial in more +ve castor. i know your front bumpers already been trimmed out so you might have to trim some more
3. and then if you are still rubbing you might have to look at a narrower rim. whether you like it or not. i also like the rims and don't wanna see them go.

also just cause he goes to a narrower rim doesnt mean he has to go smaller than a 195/50. im not asking him to run front runners or weight savers. hell after he has done step 1 and 2 and it still rubs you might find 7.5 rim at the same offset wont rub.

[--Redwork--]

You don't happen to be running NCRCA's by chance.? That could effectivly be makin your -19 wheels into like -45 due to the altered pivot

[H8CHIR6KU]

ignore this post

sorry

[s14seriesII]

im running 15*9 neg 12 with 8mm thick slip over style rotors so effectivly a neg 20

enough lock that the tie rod end uses the controll arm as a steering stop... no rubbing at all :)

ra28/40 lca and lots of castor

[lloydious86]

pics yet alex?

i know youre secretly jealous of my lock :P ive trimmed soo much outta my front bar its not funny for my lock i have

adj castor rods------alot +++ adjustment
rca's
ps arms----------more lock
tie rod end spacers-------extra lock
sigma control arms-------lots neg camber -4

15x8-10 longchamps on the front and they hit the inner wall and there bashed in but i dont need anymore lock hardly hit the firewall if at all

[crazy86]

4175this is my lock
4176fire wall
4177inside wall
here are some pics, looks like there is a bit more on the castor arms.gonna try find adj lca's. also am running nrca
I am jealouse of your lock lloydalicious. i just want to enter corners backwards, is that too much to ask....:DD

[lloydious86]

pretty sure ken goes in backwards hehe, from the looks of it could do with more -camber, also get some tie rod end spacers along with your power steering arms helps alot.

[s14seriesII]

are you running offset rca's ? if so ditch them for normal rca's and get longer or adjustable lower controll arms

and mass castor is needed at least 4 deg +

[Konakid]

as said run as much castor as the stock rods will get you and try an 8mm slip on spacer.

Ultimately 10mm longer lca's will solve all your problems!

[ae86hachiroku]

There's no use actually giving more lock potential when it's being stopped already. Powersteering arms have the capability to get close to 90 degrees without lock spacers of any kind. Static lock doesn't mean it won't get huge lock when you're actually driving.

As mentioned already, more castor and more track. Chopped knuckles is an added bonus to get to maximum lock faster, but not necessary. Also, the 2nd picture can do with a bit more bashing.

[deki]

gte a hammer and hit where it rubs until it doesnt rub anymore...

lmao good advice :)

[DR86TY]

my solution

on order as of a few days ago 30mm bolt on spacers.

hopefully this will solve my rubbing issue.

pm if you need decent wheel spacers at a decent price that are not a cast plate like just poo, machined to size :)

[fatke]

just use cheese cutters lol

[Eddy]

14x7 0 offset
xt130 lcas
lock spacer
ae71 panno rack
stock steering arms
running 3.5 deg caster
it used to hit the inner gaurd at the bottom bit of hammer work fixed that

[Classic_King]

You don't happen to be running NCRCA's by chance.? That could effectivly be makin your -19 wheels into like -45 due to the altered pivot


So are NCRCA’s bodge? What negative affect/s are associated with increased pivot?

[Sprinter86]

14x7 0 offset
xt130 lcas
lock spacer
ae71 panno rack
stock steering arms
running 3.5 deg caster
it used to hit the inner gaurd at the bottom bit of hammer work fixed that


^^^Identical to my ae71 setup! Ive just chucked some NRCAS in mine to stop the epic bump steer when grip driving :S they seem to work well.

[Matt-AE86]

Wheel spacers aren't a good option. Remove spacers and NCRCA's and replacing them with adjustable LCA or longer/extended LCA will help. so a comination of things

- Longer lca/adjustable
- Smaller wheel size (although I found 9'' sometimes to be better because of the stretch the 195 had given more clearance because it had less bulge, although steering response wasn't the best compaired to 8")
-More bashing where ken pointed out (its a drift car, bash it larry!)
-Power steering arms if you don't have them. Next step, modified steering arms

[crazy86]

thanks for all your suggestions guys. im using power steering arms atm. matt you said next step is modified arms. how are they modified? has anyone got pics?

[Delazy]

thanks for all your suggestions guys. im using power steering arms atm. matt you said next step is modified arms. how are they modified? has anyone got pics?

cut and shut...
http://www.pixorhost.net/upload/pos8l082qzwxak2mfye3c0b75ca2vh3xqgq081h87v78uevlys .jpg

[crazy86]

so have they just been cut and re welded. how much gets cut off? do you have measurements from center of hole to center. are you using these, if so do they work well?

[--Redwork--]

Delazy.. Have you driven with those.?? Hows the 0 anckerman effect the way it turns.??
I understand its benifit for drift... But any bad downsides to it as in normal/track driving.
Have a spare set here that I wouldn't mind chopping... though I don't think I'll go for 0 ank angle... maybe just half factory..

[Jonny Rochester]

Those shortened knuckles are interesting. Are they yours to play with Delazy?

More than just the short length, the fact they have almost zero ackermann = parallel steering, makes more of a difference in how they would work.

You will get an amazing tight turning circle with these. Mostly due to zero ackermann than the short length.

They will give more linear steering. A standard setup effectively gives variable ratio steering. Even tho the rack itself is linear rate, the geometry of the steering effectively make the steering happen quicker at either end of the lock, and slower when straight ahead.

[Delazy]

Delazy.. Have you driven with those.?? Hows the 0 anckerman effect the way it turns.??
I understand its benifit for drift... But any bad downsides to it as in normal/track driving.
Have a spare set here that I wouldn't mind chopping... though I don't think I'll go for 0 ank angle... maybe just half factory..


Those shortened knuckles are interesting. Are they yours to play with Delazy?

More than just the short length, the fact they have almost zero ackermann = parallel steering, makes more of a difference in how they would work.

You will get an amazing tight turning circle with these. Mostly due to zero ackermann than the short length.

They will give more linear steering. A standard setup effectively gives variable ratio steering. Even tho the rack itself is linear rate, the geometry of the steering effectively make the steering happen quicker at either end of the lock, and slower when straight ahead.

nah not mine...just a internet image to show the bloke wat modified knuckles are...ken has some on his car and loves them...he might see this thread and give some feedback on his "heyman knuckles"

ill be looking into knuckles for mine at some point, but highly likely not til the car is on the road...rather than cut and shut knuckles, ill be going with machined ones like the ones hibino is currently running on his car...offered in a few different levels of modification...

[--Redwork--]

Link to said Hibino Knuckles.???

[Robo86]

static
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/6/9/12386.jpg
driving
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/6/9/17056.jpg
xt130 lca
ae86 p.s arms
extra lock rack ends
ma's

boom comin at cha.. only looped once with this setup at qr

[Jonny Rochester]

Yep, they are the ones I sell. Seams like the tried and trusted setup now.

[.ady]

dude that is so much lock!

[crazy86]

thats some awesome lock Robo86. its what i want, something you cant loop aslong as you can keep the speed up

[Dom86]

The question is, can you have that much lock and keep your front wheel size? There has to be a way.
How do the japs do it?

Thats sic lock btw Robo. Thats what gear I've got but with adjustable LCA's.

[lloydious86]

japs tend to tub gaurds, bit of extra work involved there

[Konakid]

negative offset wheels, small tyres, wide guards.