KE70 4AGE Conversion.

[Mika]

Hey guys,

I know you get these questions all the time. Just want to confirm the bits I need for the conversion. I have done a heap of research over this forum and the web over the past few days, just wanna make sure what i have sourced will work to get the motor in there. You help will be greatly appreciated.

I have sourced:



A 4AGE 16v engine and box with loom and ecu out of a AE86
This 4AGE mounting kit, http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/mount-mee/engine-engine-parts-transmission/ke70-ke30-ke55-4age-custom-mounting-kits/1005865281# Has anyone used this? Is it recommended?


I know I will need a KE71 pedal box, is there anything else I'll need? Tailshaft etc?

Thanks,

Daniel.

[pauliee]

hey there mate,

yeap sounds like your on your way. Considering you got yourself a motor package out of an ae86, it sounds as though most of the works done for you.

In terms of running the motor, you'll need to have the loom modified to work in the ke70, unsure how this is done, had someone do it for me. You'll need to do some reading, or find someone locally who can help you out.

As well as this, you'll need to organise yourself a fuel system (surge tank, lift pump, pump, fuel filter, efi hoses etc), otherwise, keep an eye out for JDM tanks. Ive got one in my car and it cuts out all the drama of running an aftermarket fuel system. They're not cheap, but for me it was worth the trade off.

You'll need some form of pedalbox, ae71, modified ke70, even seen modified ae92 (i think) ones. A guy on rollaclub has successfully adapted a 86 clutch pedal setup in his keto. All depends what you can get your hands on.

You'll need a gearbox crossmember to suit t50. Seeing as though your buying that kit, i guess you wont need anything actually. The guys who builds them seems like he knows what hes doing so should be a good lil setup.

Im sure theres more you'll require, you'll find these sorts of things take time, and too, you'll find theres always a few little things you dont have that you'll have to get. But having pieced my way through the conversion with a longish motor, your way better of doing what you did and buying straight from another ae86.

[Mika]

I appreciate you taking the time to reply mate!

Yep, All good! I understand all that stuff! Just new to the Corolla bits, and whats interchangeable between models.

Cheers! :):thumbup:

[killabeez_1985]

Also if your buying a front wheel drive 4age out of an aussie delivered corolla etc , your gonna need to get the intake manifold cut and welded. also rwd alternator bracket and cooling water setup has to change. The list is quite big once you actually do it. My suggestion is buy someone elses running gear out of a parted out car or a wreck. It might be a bigger investment straight up but it will be less headaches in the end , especially if this is your first engine swap.

[Matt]

That kit is jordos one that he sells through here... There is a bosch pump which fits inside the tank that i used on my ke70... People buy commodore senders but you really don't need to do that. Just grommets and nuts that you lop the end off.

By far to me that is the easiest way of going about it. I never experienced surge with that setup even whent he tank was low.

As for wiring start here.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/showthread.php/22625-HOW-TO-4AGE-into-ADM-AE86-AE71-Wiring-guide

[Mika]

Also if your buying a front wheel drive 4age out of an aussie delivered corolla etc , your gonna need to get the intake manifold cut and welded. also rwd alternator bracket and cooling water setup has to change. The list is quite big once you actually do it. My suggestion is buy someone elses running gear out of a parted out car or a wreck. It might be a bigger investment straight up but it will be less headaches in the end , especially if this is your first engine swap.

Cheers, I am getting the motor package out of an AE86 to save all the FWD to RWD conversion on the motor itself.

Thanks again.

[killabeez_1985]

oh wicked yeah will be much more straight forward

[Mika]

That kit is jordos one that he sells through here... There is a bosch pump which fits inside the tank that i used on my ke70... People buy commodore senders but you really don't need to do that. Just grommets and nuts that you lop the end off.

By far to me that is the easiest way of going about it. I never experienced surge with that setup even whent he tank was low.

As for wiring start here.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/showthread.php/22625-HOW-TO-4AGE-into-ADM-AE86-AE71-Wiring-guide

Cheers mate, I'll look into the bosch pump! If i do experience it, can always put in a surge tank. Thanks for the link to the wiring diagram.

Yeah, I found the mount kit on here and gumtree. All good!

Cheers again mate!

[Matt]

Just make sure the pump diameter is < 40mm , ae86 diameter is larger and can accept ae82 factory pumps. The ke70's cannot.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/5/3/4/9/403142.jpg

From memory the pump i used was advertised on ebay as a replacement for an ae111. Maybe even this one, just ask the diameter before purchasing it.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TOYOTA-Corolla-AE111-NZ-1995-01-4Cyl-1-6L-Fuel-Pump-/190605720632?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c60fc7c38

And get these connectors to stop fuel leaking back through the insulation.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/5/3/4/9/403144.jpg

You can make something similar with a nut / washers and grommets from bunnings.

You'll need to cut the existing fuel pickup and attach the pump so it sits at the bottom of the tank.

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/5/3/4/9/403146.jpg

And finally make sure you use efi hose clamps so the clamp doesn't damage the fuel hose (which also has to be efi) gates efi hose ain't cheap, but a meter of it is all you'll need and it is good.

So there you have it an efi ke70 tank, sure it doesn't have the baffels, but I never experienced any fuel surge issues.

[Mika]

Thanks Matt! Legend! :cool::thumbup:

[s13 james]

i think my mate put a walbro i think 255 in his ke70 tank,i run the same in my 86 but jdm 86 tank,they are pretty slim compared to the factory ae86/ae82 pump and off ebay was cheaper than a repco fuel pump, fuel miester or something

[Mika]

Cheers mate! :thumbup:

[Mika]

One last thing I've been looking at is tailshaft's and diff. Does the KE70 tailshaft bolt up? Is there one you can bolt in its place? Or do you have to custom make one? With diffs, what is a sufficient one to run? Or will the standard KE70 diff be sufficient with a locker setup?

Thanks again guys, very appreciated.

[J0RD0]

I can help you out with a pedal box soon as well as the mounting kit if your keen. An AE71 tailshaft will bolt up to the stock diff and t50 no mods required. I was actually looking into getting a whole bunch of tailshafts made up but there wasnt much of a discount for getting 10 made at once.

[Matt]

The borgy diffs out of the ke70s are pretty strong and have been used behind gtes a fair bit. Finding LSD centres isn't so easy tho

[Mika]

I can help you out with a pedal box soon as well as the mounting kit if your keen. An AE71 tailshaft will bolt up to the stock diff and t50 no mods required. I was actually looking into getting a whole bunch of tailshafts made up but there wasnt much of a discount for getting 10 made at once.

Very keen on the pedal box and mounting kit. Will contact you monday for your bank details. Thanks Dude!

[Mika]

The borgy diffs out of the ke70s are pretty strong and have been used behind gtes a fair bit. Finding LSD centres isn't so easy tho

No worries Matt! Cheers, Ill just weld her up till I can afford to get a better setup! Haha.