3sge engine kits

[donegal]

hi
new to the forum, im thinking of a n/a 3sge build for my ae86 for rally. id like to get 270-290hp from it, and a good torque reading. how much would such a build cost?and would it be cappable of reaching 190lbs +torque??As the saying goes hp sells engines but torque wins races...

[Hen may possibly be a nut]

Hi.

1 - Check your class rules. I'd guess a 3S in an AE86 would end up in the "anything goes" class and be wildly uncompetitive.
2 - A bloke who races an RA45 Celica (posts here and on Toymods) has got close to 200rwkw out of an NA 3S. From what I have heard it has cost a huge amount in parts and also R&D, not to mention the hours involved. So basically if you are asking prices on a forum I don't see those power figures happening.
3 - 190ft lbs is around 260Nm. No you will never get there. NA petrol engines make 100Nm per litre, +/- a little bit. 130Nm per litre is also not happening.
4 - What is your rally experience?

Have a good read around, check rules then plan and research what you want to do.

[donegal]

Thanks for your reply,
I ran a 4age that had 185hp and 136lbs torque in a ae86. I have started a new shell and wanted to go down the 2000cc upgrade.I bought a 2.0xe vauxhall unit that had been modified to 260bhp and 194lbs torque. Which i later sold as i lost interest.
Im from ireland and and it is within the rules to run 25% above the factory unit of an ae86.
Im curious about the 3sge and would be something quite different and thought maby someone could shed some light on it!

[Jimmee1990]

I would imagine over the years and all the development you would need at least 50-60k to get close to Glens beams engines to be honest. In short, you should probably reset your goals to be a little more realistic.

[Celica RA45]

not as bad as you think about 30grand all upwith your own motor and ecu ,only std parts are block and head .every thing is changed

[donegal]

not as bad as you think about 30grand all upwith your own motor and ecu ,only std parts are block and head .every thing is changed
Thanks for your reply Glenn, the figures you are talking are a bit more"realistic".does that budget come close to the power readings I am looking for? If you have a spec sheet build from your previous 3sge build that could put me in the right direction?

[Celica RA45]

mine is about 330 hp at flywheel at 9200 torque was close to 195flbs

[Hen may possibly be a nut]

torque was close to 195flbs
I apologise. I didn't think that sort of torque/litre was realistically achievable. Now I know.

[Celica RA45]

std auto motor with out cam control on makes 143foot lbs
std manual with cams and quad throttles makes 162 foot lbs
3sge trd kit cams 13,5 to 1 pistons quads and shit pipes makes 172 foot lbs these 3 were on motec engine dyno
my motor 14.5 to 1 cams 50mm quads good pipes makes 195 foot lbs