Swaybars

[GOODY]

I've had a search around and found some useful info on here but can anyone give me some advice on what they've experienced first hand?

I currently have NO rear swaybar at all (ke70/hilux diff) due to having a 3" exhaust that had no room for the bar to go on when the new diff was put in.
But I'm now planning on moving the exhaust around so I can run one on there and thinking of throwing a front bar on aswell.

What sort of size's front/rear should I be going for? And what have people been paying lately new for whiteline non-adjustables?

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but do us ke70 owners need to use a 86 rear bar due to whiteline not making them? The only difference being the wrong size bushes?

[ROLL3R]

Size depends on what sort of driving you are setting up the car for.

[.ady]

chuck in a vn rear sway bar really tight fit about 19mm? makes a huge difference really stiff. really good and cheap

[GOODY]

Car will be used for daily driving and drift track days.

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[resol]

swaybars win. there is no two ways about it. there make the car handle sooooooooooooo much better, even with soft springs they noticable kill bodyroll.

i would grab some adjustable ones, that way you can change the setup according to your car, your driving style and can change them if you mix things up down the line.

pm me if you want more info.

-dan

[GOODY]

Thanks mate, pm sent
Is there such a thing as going too thick? And I've heard of the whiteline front adjustable bars fouling on struts in ke/ae's??

[Grant #2]

Too thick reduced performance! There is an upper limit as the sway bar starts to lift the inside wheel. Inside wheel has much less effect on overall grip, but race cars normally have very thin sway bars, and very high spring rates, because of this and to reduce brake dive.

Definitely don't want too large on the rear, it will pick up the inside wheel and reduce acceleration out of a turn. first hand experience on that last note =(

[ROLL3R]

Too thick/stiff up front will cause understeer (depending on setup of course) and too thick/stiff at rear will cause oversteer (again depending on setup, tyre size (stagger). Whiteline provide front and rear sway bars (rear ae86 into ae71/ke70 with different bushes) I run the non adjustable type though 2 weeks after purchasing these they bought out the adjustable items .... I would suggest using the adjustable type as what Dan (resol) said as they are handy for different/changing driving styles. It basically all boils down to your personal driving style.
oh by the way dont purchase the whiteline "adjustable" panhard rod, as its not "on car" adjustable which is a pain in the ass, The AJPS panhard rod would be a better option as its "on car" adjustable.

[resol]

the principal is "stiffest end brakes traction first" this also applies to spring rate, although slight difference.

its not about how stiff the bar is, rather how stiff it is compared to the other. if the front is too stiff compared to the rear your car will understeer. if the rear is too stiff compared to the front, then your car will oversteer.

i would rather run stiffer sway bars and softer springs, expecially if its street driven. crappy aussie roads

its all personal preference, hence why i suggested adjustable ones. so you can find the level of stiffnes you like.

-dan

[greeneyes]

I'm with Reso- the roads will ruin any car with hard suspension..

Anyway, I paid $15 or something similar for a Celica one, the last of the RWDs. (there might even be another one at Great Western now I think about it!) It is some 33% stiffer than the stock KE70 rear one. Bolts straight in too!

Settles the rear nicely without being too stiff.

Remember, lots of oversteer that is great fun at low & medium speeds becomes extremely frightening when it appears unexpectedly at high speeds!! You will have to work up to a balance that you enjoy.