13x8 superlites are a + 4 offset. they fit with stock guards on an ae86 with 185 60 tires, ive had that set up before. tbh, i dont think it can look good and work really. not on a car that is driveable on the road. the thing just ends up way way way way too low. you could make a cool looking show or track car. but as a track car its hard to have it that low and have decent suspension geometry as well.