To everyone who doesnt like being being violated

[Driftspec]

Most ISPs in aus are very keen on the whole net neutrality thing (normally very unofficially, but anyways), whoever they do have a legal right to report any and all information as requested by the authorities.

All the different ways of routing are generally flawed, because they use networking protocols that have been around since the idea of networks and the internet began. People know how to use the protocols to help them, but then other people know how to stop them using it.

The sad but true fact, is that the record companies are enjoying massive record sales at the present time, same story with the movie industry. People will always do this sort of thing, its human nature. It just wouldn't be so much of a problem if they didn't make such a big deal of it.

[quadeyquade]

I thought the record industry was slumping badly?

[hatzo]

More great news,
Google to Reveal Youtube Viewing Details to Viacom...

Though there is some debate the legitimacy ,
of using an IP Address as evidence , in a court of law.

[floody31]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (quadeyquade @ Jul 13 2008, 07:46 PM) </div>Yeah but its relative; they're still making billions of dollars in profit, just less billions than before.

[bleedingpanda]

I thought ISPs at the moment... or maybe awhile ago unless something has changed weren't allowed to view (know) what you were doing as a breach of privacy. Unless they were provided with evidence from a leading authority / record / movie company / etc.

[Driftspec]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (floody31 @ Jul 13 2008, 08:20 PM) </div>Actually no, record sales have been on the increase for a number of years now - both in physical record sales and purchased downloads. Not to mention that they have been continually shrinking what they give to the artists. Thats why artists like Nine Inch Nails released some of their newer albums for free download, rather than have someone record and sell them. Similar deal with the movie industry - thats why the writers went on strike not so long ago.

An IP address is always linked to a physical street address/location, so using it to describe a location in a court of law should be perfectly acceptable, as far as I know.

EDIT: Panda, its called a takedown notice, it can be enforced for either hosts (websites) or clients (internet connections)

[quadeyquade]

my bad, it was just the rap genre slumping

[monkae86]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>i don't think thats quite true, you can tell what country the IP address belongs to but not much beyond that. Your IP Address is detirmined by what ISP you are using. say you are with TPG, they own a range of IP addresses they can lease out to customers (that can be a static or dynamic depending on the contract) and every other ISP will have different ones so it will change depending on who you are with.

the only way you would know the exact address is the ISp having your address on record when you sign up and use their internet.

often though you can get a general idea as to what the destination is by tracing what routes the signal has to make in order to get to its destination...

torrents are safe as they do jumble up the data as they are from different sources but rememeber you still have to download the torrent file initially, and this is just one file from one website.

but could you immagine the amount of administrative overhead it would take to sit down and monitor everyones internet activity? too much, so you are pretty much safe as far as ISPs tracing your behaviour.

[Driftspec]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (monkae86 @ Jul 14 2008, 05:05 PM) </div>Quick tip - I used to work in an ISP, I know a lot about this stuff Any IP address that an ISP owns is attached to a user account, which is attached to a physical address. Especially when it comes down to ADSL, because then the physical port on the exchange that is your physical phone line effectively has the IP address. The ISPs and network providers keep logs, and this is how the authorities can obtain the information - granted, through a court order, but its still accessible easily enough.

Another tip, most Australian ISPs give hostnames to their IP addresses, and the name will typically contain the IP and the rough location. Normally doing a simple traceroute or pathping as well will give you all the information you need to work out where the location of an IP address is, fairly accurately too. And thats using simple tools

ISPs don't do a lot of monitoring, they do a lot of filtering and respond to anything the authorities want. Whats more, if anything weird happens with your usage, they investigate - and yes, they do investigate.

But less with all the doom and gloom, most of us are quite alright with what we do with our connections. It would only take a bit of a convergence of investigations that could nail someone doing something illegal. Nuff said.

[monkae86]

Thats true ISPs do allocate physical addresses and hostnames to IP address, but only for their customers and only they have that information. What I'm saying is a 3rd party can not track your actual postal address by knowing your IP alone... thats why police agencies and the like need cooperation with ISPs to find someone.