Why would anyone even think of replacing a panel unless they hadn't removed everything they possibly could from the car first?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ae86hachiroku @ Aug 12 2008, 01:11 PM) </div>Bingo...
I had them when it was my street car but only cause thats what it came with.. Wouldn't go out looking for them..
Why would anyone even think of replacing a panel unless they hadn't removed everything they possibly could from the car first?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ae86hachiroku @ Aug 12 2008, 10:23 AM) </div>
Yes... power isn't everything, but how much increase in overall handling performance would 22kg make? Sweet FA.... Well not $4000 worth that's for sure. It's not a fail mentality, it's a "I'm not made of money, that's why I bought a rusty old sprinter instead of an S2000" mentality.
ken has a real valid point, the part is not ment to be your first mod, so you got some mad cf doors on.
its for the real enthusiasts or racer that has done pretty much everything from a 4k tomei crank to nitrogen in the tyres, this would be on the enthusiats/racer last choice of mods.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vezza @ Aug 13 2008, 12:39 AM) </div>to be honest you shouldnt use a sprinter as a rebound instead of your s2000, imo you shuld of bought it cause you like it not cause it was your only choice..
its not like a s2000 is worth hundreds of thousands its pretty achievable with a loan and some saving if thats what floats your boat.
ive been stipping down some ADM doors for drift. I think ive got the drivers door to under 15kgs and passenger under 10kgs. THe intrusion bar weighs about 5kg itself
.....and it only cost some time and a grinder and blades. a hell of a lot cheaper then corbon. I would by carbon or fiber glass panels if i could.
its amazing to feel the diff between ADM, JDM(in full trim) and my drift Doors. ive done the comparison.
I'm with ken, that lighter is better! But if you can't afford it, you make your own
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You'd actually be surprised at the difference 22kg makes, especially when the weight has been taken off from the middle of the chassis. If you can't feel a difference in performance after losing at least 10kg, then your being a softie and not driving your car hard enough. Sorry, driving your car from home to the grocery store doesn't count to validate whether it does sweet FA.
+1 ^
People that don't understand just how far lightening a car will get you, haven't driven a car before and after lightening mods have been performed on a vehicle. You take the 25kg sound deadening out of your sprinter, you feel it. You take 22kg of door out of your car, you feel it. You take weight off the front, the rear, you feel it. But only if you drive the car in a way that allows you to feel it. Weight reduction on a street car, although not purposeless, doesn't do a whole lot, as you're not really trying to get the car to outperform a competitor, you're not trying to set a quickest lap time possible. You want a street car to be comfortable and ride well. A completely stripped out, race prepped sprinter will not be comfortable, but it will do what you want it to do. Thats all I want and I'll spend as much time and money as I have to, to get the car I want to drive. I'm sure many will do the same. Even if that means $4,000 doors.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (damo46 @ Aug 13 2008, 01:14 AM) </div>
Oh, don't get me wrong guys... if money wasn't an object, I'd buy every conceivable performance part for my car, but money is a factor.
Honestly aren't you missing the point? The whole spirit of tuning an 86 began mostly because it WAS CHEAP. You'll probably find people who are spending 4K on a tomei crank aren't even buying CF doors. Lets see... Tech arts D1-GP car, Powersports track levin, Hasselgren 86, KAI N2 AE86 (prob most N2 cars) all aren't using CF doors... Why? Most likely because the COST far outweighs the minute performance gains.
P.S. I don't think these guys are grocery shopping in their cars either....
Yep 22kg will make a noticeable difference to the car on the track. Racing my WRX I would make sure I had less a 1/4 tank of fuel and I'd remove the back seat - these were small weight savings but you felt it on the race track(until they banned removing the rear seat for my class!).
I still stick by CF doors as wank! Anyone buying them are thinking about (how they look & bragging rights > performance gain). Sure they are light, but lighten the factory doors first, or go FRP which is basically as light - if your serious enough to run ligthened doors then you will have a cage with side intrusion so thats not an issue. The Sports Sedans series are the most seriously built and lightened race car series I know of in Australia, I reckon you'd be hard pressed to find a CF door in the whole field, because its bullshit expensive for Fck All gain - FRP sure there are plenty!
Vezza is 100% correct. If money wasnt a factor, and you wanted to win, you wouldn't be starting with an AE86 :confused:
Glad someone can see my point... was begging to think AE86DC was a forum for millionaires with a penchant for old cars....
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