3sge engine kits

[donegal]

hi
new to the forum, im thinking of a n/a 3sge build for my ae86 for rally. id like to get 270-290hp from it, and a good torque reading. how much would such a build cost?and would it be cappable of reaching 190lbs +torque??As the saying goes hp sells engines but torque wins races...

[Hen may possibly be a nut]

Hi.

1 - Check your class rules. I'd guess a 3S in an AE86 would end up in the "anything goes" class and be wildly uncompetitive.
2 - A bloke who races an RA45 Celica (posts here and on Toymods) has got close to 200rwkw out of an NA 3S. From what I have heard it has cost a huge amount in parts and also R&D, not to mention the hours involved. So basically if you are asking prices on a forum I don't see those power figures happening.
3 - 190ft lbs is around 260Nm. No you will never get there. NA petrol engines make 100Nm per litre, +/- a little bit. 130Nm per litre is also not happening.
4 - What is your rally experience?

Have a good read around, check rules then plan and research what you want to do.

[donegal]

Thanks for your reply,
I ran a 4age that had 185hp and 136lbs torque in a ae86. I have started a new shell and wanted to go down the 2000cc upgrade.I bought a 2.0xe vauxhall unit that had been modified to 260bhp and 194lbs torque. Which i later sold as i lost interest.
Im from ireland and and it is within the rules to run 25% above the factory unit of an ae86.
Im curious about the 3sge and would be something quite different and thought maby someone could shed some light on it!

[Jimmee1990]

I would imagine over the years and all the development you would need at least 50-60k to get close to Glens beams engines to be honest. In short, you should probably reset your goals to be a little more realistic.

[Celica RA45]

not as bad as you think about 30grand all upwith your own motor and ecu ,only std parts are block and head .every thing is changed

[donegal]

Thanks for your reply Glenn, the figures you are talking are a bit more"realistic".does that budget come close to the power readings I am looking for? If you have a spec sheet build from your previous 3sge build that could put me in the right direction?

[Celica RA45]

mine is about 330 hp at flywheel at 9200 torque was close to 195flbs

[Hen may possibly be a nut]

I apologise. I didn't think that sort of torque/litre was realistically achievable. Now I know.

[Celica RA45]

std auto motor with out cam control on makes 143foot lbs
std manual with cams and quad throttles makes 162 foot lbs
3sge trd kit cams 13,5 to 1 pistons quads and shit pipes makes 172 foot lbs these 3 were on motec engine dyno
my motor 14.5 to 1 cams 50mm quads good pipes makes 195 foot lbs