ke70 plus work

[cicca_294]

Car -ke70 possibly?

motor -4k

use -daily/for grip

problem -auto

personal situation -

okay, so ive been after an ae71 forever, and im over waiting, so im looking at maybe buying a ke70.

ones come up, very clean, aircon (L), one problem.
its auto.

id have 2500, and a more than willing family friend whos a mechanic to help me and so i ask wat would you do.

being still in school, i cant really have time for drift days, so i guess id like to have something good around corners, as i too know full well how shit 4k's are anywhere else.

so, would you convert to manuel and run?
how much would this cost me?

or would you do an engine swap? 4age?
basic pricing?

cheers for the advice in advanced, i know some blokes dont like these types of threads, but everyone starts somewhere.

[s14seriesII]

an auto ke70 isnt worth 500$

it could cost up to 1000$ for all the parts to go manual

you might get all the parts cheap like for 200 or something..

its a lot of work, id only buy an auto one if i was going to convert it straight to being a hydrolic clutch from ae71/t18 and putting a 3tc or 4age in it..

[ke70dave]

i didnt get much change out of about 2500 for my 4age conversion into ke70. it adds up FAST! (and my head/block cost $150)

if you dont have much cash (i dont either). i suggest you find a manual ke70, and spend a few dollars on the motor.

everyone bags the 4k, but its bullet proof and with a few mods can have some fun.

everyone also sais that ke70 are cheap to mod, they are not. being a 30yr old grandma piece of crap mass production car you almost need to replace everything to make it decent.

so get your standard MANUAL ke70, do not pay more than 1000, even if its registered.

get a set of springs and shocks i reckon first up, emphasis on the shocks. nothing better than new shocks. if your keen replace the bushes while your at i (especailly the trailing arm ones). you might spend 600$ here.

replace brake pads, front discs (if they are crap). general service.

now onto engine.

stock 4k, is slow as. however, they are reliable and bullet proof. you will be very hard pressed to do any damage to one, as long as you keep the fluids up to it.

so whip that head off, down to the machinist to up the compression, maybe 60$ here. new headgasket to go with it.

next get your camshaft re ground to something a little more agressive, i dunno specs, see rollaclub.

now find yourself a nice webber or simliar upgraded carby, put a kit through it, make sure it doesn't leak.

match compressoin + camshaft + decent carby, and you will have a pretty sweet engine. also maybe look into an elecrtonic distributer, i hear they are good.

4age's are good, but not that good. and im not entirely sure they are worth the coin. dont get me wrong my car with a 4age is heaps of fun, but say if i spend 1000$ more, i could have a 3sge or something.

also remember you dont have to do all these mods at once to enjoy your car.

ive had my car for 3yrs, and im still getting it right (dont have an lsd yet, and still havent replace those trailing arm bushes....). oh and its a learning experience too.

i bought my ke70 and i had this master plan, that i would have it all finished in 6months. didnt work out like that..

[sundee]

i dont really agree with you dave on the "4age's are good,but not that good"
3s is a stuff load more work then a 4a conversion, by the 1st post you can tell the guy is going to need quite a bit of help.

everyone is on the 3S bandwagon now - 4ag 16v engines rock!

Cicca - if i were you, id just keep the thing auto.. work hard, save some pennies, and do a 4ag conversion, 16v or 20v

engine cost can very depending on how you go about it.
you can pay up to $2800 for a low Km mildy modified 16v engine. (that what i sold mine for)

T50(JDM) $250 - $350
Ae71 pedal box - $200
ae71 clutch master - $30-$40 or so
ae71/86 clutch slave - never brought one $? about the same as the master i guess
Clutch hard line - could get from a wrecker or make your own
clutch flex line - local brake shop can sort you.. $25?
ECU and loom - depends if u stay stock or aftermarket
ae71 tail shaft - $100?
JDM 86 EFI fuel tank - $300 - $400
ae86/71 engine x member $100 -$150
ae71 gearbox x member - $40 - $50
Extractors/Exhaust - $800 ish

Fuel lines - Wiring - misc - $200

if you cant wire it up yourself then maybe $500 - $700 to wire it all up? im just guessing that as ive never had to pay for it.

i am missing stuff but you get the idea.. it all ads up and its the little things you usually dont think about

[s14seriesII]

for the cost of 4ages these days id rather build a 60kw 4k than put a 4age and my wallet would be a lot better off

my stock 4k produced 40rwkw with nothing done to the engine at all, 4ages are nice dont get me wrong but what are they selling for these days ?

[Delazy]

for the cost of 4ages these days id rather build a 60kw 4k than put a 4age and my wallet would be a lot better off

my stock 4k produced 40rwkw with nothing done to the engine at all, 4ages are nice dont get me wrong but what are they selling for these days ?

3tc ftw...

[s14seriesII]

oh yes how could i forget my favourite... 3tc ke70 is deffinate win.

[ke_70]

40kw! thats heaps might be able to chirp 2nd with that!

[LittleRedSpirit]

an auto ke70 isnt worth 500$

it could cost up to 1000$ for all the parts to go manual

you might get all the parts cheap like for 200 or something..

its a lot of work, id only buy an auto one if i was going to convert it straight to being a hydrolic clutch from ae71/t18 and putting a 3tc or 4age in it..

I sold a ke70 manual conversion kit, with everything needed except the gearbox for something like $150. Its all bolt in bolt out in an auto car, you have to drill one hole in the firewall for the clutch cable to come through. Its an easy swap that can be done in a day.

You need tailshaft, gearbox, gearbox stays, sandwhich plate, pedal box, gearbox crossmember and mount, clutch cable, clutch, flywheel, and a spigot bearing. Its a cable clutch so no overpriced hydraulic to buy.

Theres nothing hard about it. Nobody here rates 4ks or knows much about them, as evidenced by the above post. They are a great motor for a daily, quite economical, and fun if you put a cam in.

Go ahead, buy the auto rig, youll just have to find a manual car to raid the conversion from. The auto diff ratio is 4.3:1 so if you buy an auto car and convert it to manual, you will have a nice diff ratio for accelleration. If you cam up the 4k (an under 200 dollar exercise - consult Ivan tghe in Brisbane) you will enjoy it very much.

5 speed gearboxes go for about 100 dollars, 4 speeds are usually given away free.

Dont be discouraged, if you have a mate who is a mechanic it will be a good learning experience for you. Should take a day.

have fun.:DD

[stx-16]

or you could by mine for $1000 now

[ke70dave]

my stock 4k produced 40rwkw with nothing done to the engine at all, 4ages are nice dont get me wrong but what are they selling for these days ?

the problem with 4age conversions in ke70s is not the price of the 4age itself.

4age's are actually pretty cheap if you know where to look, here is how my conversion went.

4age + box of bits (block, head, few timing belts, fuel rail, injectors, tvis, a water pump, various water pipes and a box of bolts) - $140 (from mr littleredspirit)

genuine jap rwd inlet manifold- $250

genuine jap rwd headers with 2ndaries - $20 (bargain of the century)

exhaust (2.25" brand new high flow cat, resonator, muffler, over diff)- $550

tow to get to exhaust shop - $90 (i got ripped off on this one...)

t50 gearbox - $250

ae71 pedal box - $140

brand new clutch master- $70

brand new clutch slave - $50

ecu + loom -$150

clutch hard line - $freee

clutch soft line ("custom" braided)- $70

ae71 tailshaft- $50

ae71 engine crossmemeber with engine brackets- $110

ae71 gbox crossmember - $50 (i think...)

wiring- $100 (paid my mate who did it real quick)

mod plate - $80

brand new HD exedy clutch - 250

spigot bearing - $8 (hehe)

varios gaskets/sealant- $100 (blue goo, inlet/exhaust gasket etc)

inital oils/filter (engine oil/filter 50, gbox oil 30, coolant, alt belt etc) $100

distributer- $60

new spark plugs and leads - $80? (i think)

injectors clean - $110

and then when i got it all running. head gasket blew.

headgasket - $80

head overhaul (skim, few new valves, new valve stem seals, acid clean) $350


total $3208

4age engine + head overhal = $570 = %17 of total cost.

[rthy]

each convo is different for each person
it all depends on how and who

id just wait and buy a ke70 with a 4age already done

[KE70]

If you can find a cheap KE70 auto, get it and convert it to manual with parts from pick-a-part. Drive it a bit with lowered springs and see how you go.

If you want a 4age keep either convert it or sell the car and buy one that already has it done, save you time and money.

Since you have 2500 already you might want to save up a bit more and just buy a 4age KE70 off the bat.

[s14seriesII]

lol 3200$ for a 4age conversion...

ill give you an idea how much mine cost in my sprinter.. obviously not the same as half the parts you bought i already had... but its cost 250$.

and for ke70 conversion to t50 , 3tc, hydro clutch s series diff n tail shaft.. 100$ but i sold the healthy 4k with 5 speed for 450$ so i guess i got payed 350$ to do an engine conversion on my ke70..

a 4age "half cut" should only cost around 1000$ for everything you need bar tail shaft and s or t series diff. but the prices are just stupid as you have shown... ive seen/heard of 4age rwd pakages (engine/loom/ecu) for between 1200 and 2000$

i can go buy a 3sge for 300$.. i know its not quite as easy to put in but still it represents what the 4age should be worth without the takumi tax

hell for nearly 3500$ you could get an sr turbo half cut and everything you need to do it.. maybe :)

[s14seriesII]

40kw! thats heaps might be able to chirp 2nd with that!

it would just hold a 3rd gear clutch kick slide in the wet.. but the 3tc was easier for obvious reasons..

[ke70dave]

lol 3200$ for a 4age conversion...

ill give you an idea how much mine cost in my sprinter.. obviously not the same as half the parts you bought i already had... but its cost 250$.

and for ke70 conversion to t50 , 3tc, hydro clutch s series diff n tail shaft.. 100$ but i sold the healthy 4k with 5 speed for 450$ so i guess i got payed 350$ to do an engine conversion on my ke70..

a 4age "half cut" should only cost around 1000$ for everything you need bar tail shaft and s or t series diff. but the prices are just stupid as you have shown... ive seen/heard of 4age rwd pakages (engine/loom/ecu) for between 1200 and 2000$

i can go buy a 3sge for 300$.. i know its not quite as easy to put in but still it represents what the 4age should be worth without the takumi tax

hell for nearly 3500$ you could get an sr turbo half cut and everything you need to do it.. maybe :)

yer you are correct.

but youll notice that alot of the prices i have listed arent really 4age specific. things like distributers, spark plug leads, injector cleaning, exhaust, gearbox (a wreckers will charge alot for all gearboxes), new parts such as clutch master/slave the clutch itself, oil/filters. all these things will cost about the same no matter what conversion you do.

assuming you buy in parts.

in heinsight i should have bought a halfcut or something, but the reality is i bought all those parts over a period of 3yrs so it didnt seem that much untill i added it all up,and i dont have space at my house to put a halfcut. and i needed to get the conversion done quickly as it is my only car, i ended up doing it all in 1 weekend (untill we found the headgasket, which added a week or so).

basically all im trying to say is that engine conversions, no matter what engine it is, costs alot of cash. unless you are lucky enough to get everything either very cheap or free its an expensive exercise.

i should add that doing conversions from carby engine to carby engine arent that bad (as you have shown with your 3tc egsample). but converting to efi is bit more of an exercise, with fuel systems (damn i forgot to add my fuel system in the list....2 pumps, surge tank......$300) ecu/loom/injectors, the price just keeps going up...

[s14seriesII]

which is why i said in my first post to this bloke just buy a manual ke70 and do a bit of work to the 4k..
with standard carby and stock exhaust they can make very good power.. more than enough to have fun driving fast around corners and plenty to drift in the rain..

4age's.. and yes all engine conversions are just not a smart thing to do unless you get everythign cheap and do everything yourself

buy the car and driveline appropriate to what to want in the first place.

all very well that you bought all the parts over 3 years and did it all in a weekend (bar h/g) but you couldve saved for 3 years, bought a jap ae86 half cut, and still done it in a weekend and been no worse off.. (excluding the fact you have bought some new parts)

[Delazy]

it would just hold a 3rd gear clutch kick slide in the wet.. but the 3tc was easier for obvious reasons..
have i said 3TC FTW yet? :yeah:

prolly wouldnt have a ksev nor would i give a fk about 3tc's...

but having seen wat mark did in the his old snot box impressed me enough to build one myself...

quite a weapon of a car for fuck all cash thats for sure...

[s14seriesII]

yep 3tc ke70 is def ftw... add a cam and sidedraft weber correctly tuned and it would be mint i reakon better than a 4age

[cicca_294]

Since you have 2500 already you might want to save up a bit more and just buy a 4age KE70 off the bat.

well yeh ive got a fair bit more, but nothings really coming up,,