4gae help

[78turboGT]

hey every body, im new here, i dont have an AE86 but i do have an oldschool toyota classic just the same. i just recently picked up a rare 1978 celica GT 5spd in almost mint condition for $500. i plan on trickin it out for drift and ill be picking up a silver top 4age at the end of this week. i also have a mkIII supra, as far as experiance with engines go i have years of it with the supra but now that im playing with the new toy im not sure how to approach the swap from the stock and carburated 20r. im just looking for all the info i can gather about the 4age silver top engine so i can do the swap quickly and effectivly, figured this is a great place to look. thanks for any help you can give me... oh, they call me turbo by the way... if you want pics of either just let me know too!

[HYPNTK]

http://opc.mr2oc.com/
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/phil.bradshaw/Index.htm

there is also Sam_Q who is a member on this sight who has excellent guides on fitting a 20v to a ae86 (dunno about your car though) and has great knowledge of this engine...look him up on here and you'll see his links to his guides...good luck dude

[rthy]

thanks hypntk,

my cooling guide is in the link of my signiture, other info is in my worklog, if you want the other link let us know

[HYPNTK]

i want the other link!

[Brendo]

no such thing as 4gae

[parrot]

no such thing as 4gae[/b]


It's people like you what cause unrest http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[flamingheads]

How do you trick your ride out for drift?
78 Celicas weigh like 1100 or 1200kgs so a 4AG isnt going to be the greatest engine choice. 3SGs, CAs and SRs probably wouldnt be much harder coversions and have lots more power. Consider the options first but its your car.

[mattysshop]

is that an early RA40 (round headlights?) and is it a genuine GT?? eg 18RG, P51 gearbox, F series LSD diff.. some even had power windows..

if it is, i will buy it off you!!!!!!!!!

but the 20R 2.2? doesn't sound like a GT sorry to say... can i see some pics?? and a pic of the VIN plate? either post pics or email to mcicchitti@racqi.com.au

[78turboGT]

is that an early RA40 (round headlights?) and is it a genuine GT?? eg 18RG, P51 gearbox, F series LSD diff.. some even had power windows..

if it is, i will buy it off you!!!!!!!!!

but the 20R 2.2? doesn't sound like a GT sorry to say... can i see some pics?? and a pic of the VIN plate? either post pics or email to mcicchitti@racqi.com.au[/b]
its an RA42, yes round head lights, says GT all over it, 20R engine, w50 tranny (4age apparently bolts up to it but from what ive read it wont handle the power from it), no lsd... yet, crank windows.
heres the links to the pics http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/greenbounce.gif

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/bi.../supraplate.jpg (http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/biggt690/supraplate.jpg)
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/bi...firewallvin.jpg (http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/biggt690/firewallvin.jpg)
vins kinda hard to read but its RA42-001432
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/biggt690/20Rpic.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/bi...0/frontshot.jpg[/url]
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/bi...0/frontside.jpg (http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/biggt690/frontside.jpg)
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/bi.../gt5spdlogo.jpg (http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/biggt690/gt5spdlogo.jpg)
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/bi...90/rearside.jpg (http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/biggt690/rearside.jpg)
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/bi...interiorpic.jpg (http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/biggt690/interiorpic.jpg)
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/biggt690/guages.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/bi.../frontshot1.jpg (http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/biggt690/frontshot1.jpg)

[mattysshop]

if thats your opinion of almost mint condition... i'd hate to see what a shit condition car looks like..

anyway.. W50 will handle a fiar bit of power i have run around mnay years with a slightly tuned 18RG with a W50 with no dramas.. however recently it snapped a selector fork, bit of tig fixed that up!.. and they do not come anywhere close to 'bolting in'

they are not a big fan of high RPM.. and pull out your diff center and bin it.. it is a 3.58 open center.. possibly the worlds worst final drive ratio you could have infront of a 4AGE..

but best of luck with it!

[78turboGT]

well considering the car is covered in road salt cause ny state for some reason uses that shit when it snows 1/4 of an inch, and considering that its 1978, and considering that yotas are known for rust issues (due to road salt) yeah id say its almost mint. plus the rareity of it as well...(for those of us who cant do basic math thats 29 years of brutal unnecessary abuse)... it needs very little work to look new, some quick patches on the quarters and a new paint job, some cosmetics, altho working in a certified body shop for the passed 4 years i know nothing about that, but any way im not here for arguements or critisisms, just help.


so whats the word on a w55 gear box? i read that theres a company that manufactures a bellhousing for the 4AGE to bolt up to the w55 but im not sure if there are any better options for the engine. im only lookin to push about 250 to 300 horses so i dont need any thing extreme.


im also lookin for any info or links to a company that make a DLI for it, or would i just be better off to cut a hole in the firewall to get the existing dizy to fit?

[terryo]

have you considered a, 18RG or 3TGTE or similar???. IMHO, the 4AG is not really suited to such a heavy car as it has inadequate torque. if you want something newer, consider a 3SG. I have done the dissy conversions for these old celicas. see www.roadandtrack.net.au

[rthy]

heres my worklog

http://www.rollaclub.com/board/index.php?showtopic=9903

[Jonny Rochester]

Just so everybody realises, this guy is obviously in U.S.A. not Australia. Yes the car is a Celica GT, but USA spec. Not a "GT" in the Toyota Japan meaning of the word, otherwise it would have a 18R-GEU (which america never got).

78turboGT:
You are better to keep your R series engine, and build a 22RE/21R hybred turbo motor. Thats a 2.4 litre EFI motor, lots of torque! The little 20v does not really fit your gearbox. Lots of 22RE motors avaliable from trucks, and some of them are turbo! Bolt in.

[mattysshop]

yes i agree.. keep your 20R head, and use a 22R bottom end.. gives it s lightly higher compression ratio.. if you want to go NA, big cam and a pair of webbers, or you might want to use EFI.. good power can be made NA..

but if you chose turbo use 22RE long motor.. it will have a shit load of torque!

[78turboGT]

yeah i guess i did forget to state that im from the US. should have cleared that up at the begining. thanks for all the info from every one! what year pickup is the 22re from out of, the one with the fuel injection cause im def going turbo. iv already got a mega squirt manage ment system lined up for what ever i get so ill be all set as far as that goes. if i were to go the route of the hybrid what would an acceptable tranny for that be? i had thoughts of the r154 from an 86 to 92 supra but im not sure of the if it will fit under the car, strong tho. i do unfortunately already have the 4age if any ones lookin to buy and i dont end up using it. but you can make an offer and if i like it ill proly let it go. its jdm and ive got every thing for it. auto tranny, wire harness, computer, afm, and some other extras, its fron wheel drive.

[78turboGT]

where can i get an LSD for the solid axle for this thing too? and would i possibly be able to modify the ITB set up to work with the 20r head?

[mattysshop]

a W55 or W58 gearbox from the next model up celica.. the RA6X series would be more than capable of handling that http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif


search some US performance places.. you guys didn't get the glorious 18RG.. so you had to make do with the 20 and 22R's which ended up hammering along just as good! there would be twin webber manifolds etc available for them..

if your going to breath a bit of boost.. stick with a large single TB..

[78turboGT]

i retract a previous statement... it is indeed lsd, i had a broken shock that gave it a one wheel peel

[mattysshop]

it's not factory.. the 2 at the end of your diff code means it was sold with an open centre..

drive off the side of the road onto some grass.. half the car on the road.. half the car on the grass.. try and do a static burnout for a few seconds.. if the wheel that is on the road doesn't spin.. but the one on the grass does.. you have an opencenter.. or a rooted LSD.. if the wheel on the road cherps and starts to smoke up great your LSD is in good condition..

if your LSD is opening up to one wheel every now and again.. try changing the diff oil to something like a 140w LSD oil.. even an LSD additive that thickens that also!!

[78turboGT]

funny you say that cause we got a 2 foot snow fall and with out lsd i dont think i would have gone no where but i had to go to the store and had to drive thru about a foot of snow... never got stuck, just kept on truckin thru, thats why toyotas are so great.


so any way, i had a crazy idea to put a 7mgte into it but the r154 tranny would make it too long to fit, id have to pull out the radiator and support then move the radiator. if i had a shorter gear box the engine would fit. so my newest question is this: will the w55 or w58 hold up to a 7mgte?
yeah its kinda heavy but it would move that little car like a raped date. weighs 2400 lbs whereas the supra weighs 3300-3400 lbs range.


any good advise?

[mattysshop]

yes.. they would handle that power from a 7MGTE..

i'm serious about the LSD.. it's not factory if it is..

[78turboGT]

i guess it doesnt much matter at this point any way, if i did go thru with a 7mgte swap what car (or truck) would the best dif come from that would fit in that car? im not looking to pull out the solid axle and do independent suspension tho. or a good gear ratio to go with.

[mattysshop]

F series out of a crown/cressida etc dunno what there called over there.. or a hilux diff..

[78turboGT]

they dont have those models here in the US but i do know of them. ill have to look at ebay and maybe some junk yards. dealer as a last resort cause they rape you there. i paid $800 for the 2 piece bumper set (front bumper) for my 89 supra at the dealer, if i go to my buddy i can get a whole car for 800 but i was a youngin back then... its all a learning experiance


oh by the way, what years are best? and a gear ratio would make my searches easier
thanks

[us_ae86]

ermmm. we DO have Crowns and Cressidas here in the us. http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/forums/emoticons/smile.gif

[78turboGT]

where? ive never seen either model, id like a cressida. cali doesnt count cause there all rich out there! haha