solid lifter upgrade 16v 4age.

[MoNsTaR]

hey guys,
I've been looking into doing the solid lifter upgrades to my 4age im building.
i know 1szfe fit and are avaliable from toyota but due to time and money constraints, ive been looking into using 1zzfe ones i have laying arround,
they have a 31mm bore as the standard 4age ones are 28mm.
my question is has anyone bored out the lifters to fit larger ones in a 4age.
I should probably mention im an engine reconditioner and have the tools to do all this, just wanted to see if anyone else has done this.

I will have to modify the lifter area anyway to fit my new hektik cams.

any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[maxhag]

Why?

what are you hoping to achieve from doing that?

[MoNsTaR]

I'm using cans with 11mm lif so under bucket ships or solid lifters are needed,
I have lots of these at work so I figured, why not use them.

[Sam-Q]

makes sense to me, you get to use a common bucket and you can do the work yourself. That said I can't say if there is any technical reason why you can't do it. If you do I would love to see a photo of your work.

[MoNsTaR]

this should be done by the end of the week or early next week, ive made the program on the cnc at work, and should be pretty easy.

[pen15]

i find it interesting that you would bore a hole out 3mm over 16 holes when you would have bought some shims and machined the top section of the stock buckets and made a shim underbucket from the stock buckets cheap but now you will increase friction of 3mm more diameter over 16 buckets and making the head casting weaker i would like to know how this goes in the long run but modifying the stock buckets to suit shim under would have been the way i would have done it being an engine reconditioner myself

cheers
mat

[MoNsTaR]

Only real reason was that I didn't think of it. Haha. I did consider the added friction and mass but I figured it would be too much of an issue. And on the plus side the lifters were free.

[Sam-Q]

If you where to modify the original buckets I think you would have to get them rehardened and reground. That is assuming the shape is still round once done. This is because the area under the shim isn't designed to be used as a hard wearing surface. I could be wrong here but I think it would end up being a real hassle to do.

I still think the idea of using the 1ZZ parts is a better bet. Besides I can't imagine there being much of a difference in friction seeing their in an oil bath and it's purely an up and down movement.

[slydar]

bigger O.D on the cam bucket allows more aggressive ramp rates too. plus a lot of 4ages are pretty old and likely to have a lot of wear in the bucket bores. its pretty much win win.

[MoNsTaR]

just a quick update, its been a massive head ache!! just because the pilot for out cnc is too short as it had been replaced by a non-oem one. :( so ive made my own pilot thats longer, and had to "pre cut" the pockets out with our valve seat cutter.
so hopefuly tomorrow ill have some pics and atleast 1 bore done lol. XD

[Hen may possibly be a nut]

I was initially going to say "why not do it the easy way and just get 1SZ bits", but then I remembered all the ridiculous stuff I've done that made sense at the time... though maybe not quite so much now.

So respect for doing it the other way. It may be a bunch of work, but I hope you get it worked out and running well.

[MoNsTaR]

Ok, heres the verdict, IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!
Works a charm really......when you dont fuck up haha
i ended up typing 31.25 into the machine instead of 31.025, so new head it is :P but for proof of concept it worked.
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/2/9/9/9/507050.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/user/james_samulski/media/IMAG0056_zps1a2ee5cb.jpg.html)
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/2/9/9/9/507051.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/user/james_samulski/media/IMAG0059_zpsc8c342c0.jpg.html)
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/2/9/9/9/507052.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/user/james_samulski/media/IMAG0060_zps0bfc1f63.jpg.html)
http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/2/9/9/9/507053.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/user/james_samulski/media/IMAG0062_zpsbbca5efc.jpg.html)

[MoNsTaR]

and a comparison shot

http://www.ae86drivingclub.com.au/dcimages/2/9/9/9/507054.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/user/james_samulski/media/87b85eb9-d016-4cba-98af-0f49bfdf27a9_zpsda0b4f79.jpg.html)

[Sam-Q]

That's really neat, you have done well. How is the weight of the shimless compared to the original 4a bucket and shim together?

[MoNsTaR]

ok, head is finnished ill get some pics up asap. they worked GREAT!!! with a 304 duration 11mm lift cam, they didnt need any clearancing other then 2 spots.

[SamsTA22]

This is a clever mod for when insane cam lift is needed.

Does anyone think something like this could work on the 20v head?

If they're 23mm stock, would boring them out to fit the 1sz 28mm buckets be too much? (or something a bit smaller, if it can be found.)

[Sam-Q]

there is very little meat between the intake buckets on a 20v

[Jimmee1990]

There is no point going to bigger buckets on a 20v, the spark plug tubes need clearancing with big cams as is, any bigger and you would need to start moving the spark plug and exhaust ports.

[Prime86]

This is an interesting thread and idea to modify the lifter bores to suit the 1zzfe tappets. I have a modified small port head that was fitted with the shimless 1szfe conversion with big cams. I noticed the 1szfe lifters are higher than the standard 4age ones, I've since removed them for a shim under conversion and there just sitting around in the shed. Can I ask what the rev limit of the engine will be when up and running?

[pen15]

good work mate i would love to see this running

[bui_ke70]

This is an interesting thread and idea to modify the lifter bores to suit the 1zzfe tappets. I have a modified small port head that was fitted with the shimless 1szfe conversion with big cams. I noticed the 1szfe lifters are higher than the standard 4age ones, I've since removed them for a shim under conversion and there just sitting around in the shed. Can I ask what the rev limit of the engine will be when up and running?

Hi there,
Any chance to measure up how much higher is the 1SZ-FE lifter compare to stock 4AGE shim over bucket? I'm about to do the solid lifter conversion and was worrying that the 1SZ-FE will bottom out in the lifter bore with the high lift cams.

Cheers