BEAMS with Blacktop ITBs on standard ECU?

[Powerbite]

Basically iv found a heap of mixed info, so ill ask straight out
So I understand you can run Blacktop ITBs on the BEAMS 3S-GE, but surely you couldnt run it without an aftermarket ECU? Im pretty sure the 3S-GE has an AFM where as the Blacktop doesnt?
If its any help engine in question is an RS200 3S-GE
Cheers, James

[Jdm-Mcc]

Correct, beams runs a AFM where as running B/T quads dont, however S/T quads do. Best bet is just run an adaptronic ecu with a loom to suit.

[Powerbite]

Correct, beams runs a AFM where as running B/T quads dont, however S/T quads do. Best bet is just run an adaptronic ecu with a loom to suit.

Yeah just as I though, basically id just prefer to run ITBs and trumpets on the 3S-GE with the standard computer but didnt think that was an going to be an option

[Jdm-Mcc]

With nissans you can run a piggy-back chip called a nistune to program the factory computer however im not sure if this sort of option is available for BEAMS?

[AJPS]

you will need an ecu, which will give you cheap power anyway

[Matt]

kaizen do an adaptronic plug n play loom to suit.

[SamsTA22]

Just because it uses an afm doesn't stop you from running ITBs with a plenum...

Didn't TRD make ITBs for the RS200 back when it was new? What ecu did it use then?

[Celica RA45]

they chose a motec to run the engine with the hi comp pistons and big cams etc

[Powerbite]

Bit of a bump, decided to go aftermarket ECU, what would you suggest? (BT quads w/ trumpets) also prices if you have them

Power FC would be my ideal option but I don't think you can program the SXE/RS200 one to run a MAP?

All info appreciate, cheers

[Skylar]

Pfc is a plug and play option. All of them will use all factory sensors. For nissans you can get l-(afm) and d-jetronic(map) models but you can't run map on an l-jet and vice versa. I don't know if the 3s has a d-jet option. You might be able it jerry-rig a gt4 pfc but we're getting far away from plug in ecu.

You can get an adaptronic e420d for a little less than a grand, e440 select for a little over a grand. Halted sprint 500 at around a grand, ps1000 was like 1600 off memory, vipec v44 at ~1200 and v88 at 1800. There is also a lower level ecu at 1200 (link g4atom) which will also do the job sufficiently.

You should be able to get the units a little cheaper if you look around as I'm quoting prices straight off a retail store.

And after all that, go talk to your tuner and see what he wants. Probably the middle range as I don't remember if the haltec supported 4d tuning on the sprint, I'd think it does, I know the adaptronic and link/vipecs do. And you're probably best off using it. Hell, I've got a $500 megasquirt that I'm gonna have to tune myself because no one here probably tunes it. Real easy to figure out though.

[Powerbite]

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Yeah power FC was just going to be the easiest option but I believe they only came out in the standard AFM version.

I did a bit more research last night and found a couple of guys using the adaptronic e420d, seems to be the best and most cost effective option. Now you'll have to excuse me here as the electronic side of cars is over my head. Can I still run the VVTi with this ecu? And will it need to be tuned into the ecu or will it still work with a rough map?

[ehendrikd]

Adaptronic e420d will indeed run VVTi. They also have base maps for 3SGE Beams with ITBs (http://adaptronic.com.au/forum/index.php?topic=4747.0).

[Matt]

Another really easy alternative is to pm Anthony from kaizen garage or sales@kaizengarage.com and he can provide you a plug and play solution with the adaptronic.

[Powerbite]

Another really easy alternative is to pm Anthony from kaizen garage or sales@kaizengarage.com and he can provide you a plug and play solution with the adaptronic.

Cheer mate I'll chuck him and email and see what I can find out


Adaptronic e420d will indeed run VVTi. They also have base maps for 3SGE Beams with ITBs (http://adaptronic.com.au/forum/index.php?topic=4747.0).

Cheers ill bookmark that one

[Delazy]

http://youtu.be/6olb_4nlHKo

Link G4 plug and play due to release...worth a look...

[Skylar]

It's not exactly plug-in but you can buy the plugs these days and make your own patch loom and make whatever ecu plug in. It's not the easiest thing but it leaves your engine harness stock. The megasquirt I have is full plug in for sr20 and will be making another patch harness to suit ca18 when my new short harness rocks up. Pretty easy to do especially for haltech/link/adaptronic which should have base tunes and settings for your engine.

[AJPS]

http://youtu.be/6olb_4nlHKo

Link G4 plug and play due to release...worth a look...

links have a good rep

[SamsTA22]

Pfc is a plug and play option. All of them will use all factory sensors. For nissans you can get l-(afm) and d-jetronic(map) models but you can't run map on an l-jet and vice versa. I don't know if the 3s has a d-jet option. You might be able it jerry-rig a gt4 pfc but we're getting far away from plug in ecu.

You can get an adaptronic e420d for a little less than a grand, e440 select for a little over a grand. Halted sprint 500 at around a grand, ps1000 was like 1600 off memory, vipec v44 at ~1200 and v88 at 1800. There is also a lower level ecu at 1200 (link g4atom) which will also do the job sufficiently.

You should be able to get the units a little cheaper if you look around as I'm quoting prices straight off a retail store.

And after all that, go talk to your tuner and see what he wants. Probably the middle range as I don't remember if the haltec supported 4d tuning on the sprint, I'd think it does, I know the adaptronic and link/vipecs do. And you're probably best off using it. Hell, I've got a $500 megasquirt that I'm gonna have to tune myself because no one here probably tunes it. Real easy to figure out though.

Where can you get a vipec v44 for 1200?

[Skylar]

Whoops, that shoulda been 1400.

[Mannix20vt]

I'm running an Adaptronic e420c on my car, seems to be working good so far. Need to get a proper map on it but tuner says it looks very good so far - had to stop it on the rolling road due to axle problems.

[Skylar]

Just an FYI, altezzalink has been released (last Friday).

[Nikkojoe]

Just an FYI, altezzalink has been released (last Friday).

Another thing for me to buy.... yay :P

[Skylar]

Hah, progress on that car is slower than mine. My vipec is wire up now. Just need to go grab a tuning cable. The silvia has toe-in now too! Brogress!

You should just move the adaptronic over onto the 3s and hope all works well.