bt 20v v's 3sge beams

[dehney]

hey all
just seen what people think is a better NA motor for money and power

what would be an easier fit in to a ke70
i know u can get beams for around the 4500 dollar mark
but for that much money could i get a bt 20v to have the same or more power ?

cheers
dehney

[Delazy]

if u say so....i highly doubt it....

[dehney]

im not saying i could get that power thats why i asked the question cuz i know few people have the beams and 20v motors on this forum

[shift_rook]

ok well the initial outlay of a beams is around the 4500 mark but, add in everything else and you're lookin at about 6-7+ then ther'es a lot of fab work that has to go along with it. plenty of info on here man, just have a look, i also don't believe you could get that power form a bloacktop in $4500 and then there's reliability issues etc etc, where the beams has that power from factory

[ke_70]

wtf is so special about a beams? it only puts out like 120kws giv or take doesnt it
not that much more than an na sr20 u could even get a sr turbo 4 less than a beams

[shift_rook]

ok here we go sr's come with around 100kw at the engine, not atw, so it's about 30-40kw atw less than a beams, seocndly, sr turbo's are turbo(amazing i know) beams are not(another amazing statement) some people like having a n/a engine in a sprinter, plus benefits like torque off the mark not waiting for the boost etc etc, also an sr is a nissan, some people like keepin it in the family, and beams engines are just farkin sick, i'll be chuckin a beams in my car once i get her on the road for a few month, then i'll bolt a turob to her in about 3 years when i get off my p's(successfully done in formula drift(toyota scion))


fantapants is all over it, even though a blacktop seems cheapo as an initial outlay, ad beefin up gearbox and all the other stuff and it isn't very cheap, also the torque isn't there,

[fantapants]

no it puts out 154kw... very high specific output.

has many many many wonderful engineering bits and tricks... titanium valves, sodium filled titanium valves on exhaust, 12:1 compression, dual vvti etc etc

very nice and fancy engines. Ra45 has 189kw atw out of his so yes, they are something special. They rip the hell out of a na sr20. You "coul" get close to the numbers with lots of head work and compression etc etc etc to the numbers of the beams, but you would end up spending more on the engine.

Im hoping with my beams with quads and standalone, fancy extractmores and bits and bobs for about 145 kw atw. thats na. and a BUNCH of torgue.

[fantapants]

you MAY get the power..... very doubtful, but even if you did, you would still lack significant torgue. This is what gets the car going and really helps to bring it alive.

You can go a similar way to me -
engine 2500
w5?gbox 600
clutch 1000
adap 900
loom 200

= 5200

then you have bits and pieces on top so add another 1500 - 2000
also look at quads... add another 1000

fuck i have spent some money ( or at least plan to with tax moneys

blacktop is fun and relativley easy with plenty of ooh ahh factor. If you got skills, beams is very doable but expensive. if you havnt skills then its insane expensive

[dehney]

i wanna stay na and toyota thats why im asking about the beams or bt 20v so im just best of getting a beams motor then now what have people done for the ecu's have then keeped the factory ecu or gone after market?

[shift_rook]

if you're workin a 20v and you want lots of power you will need an aftermarket computer to utilise the modifications done, for a stock beams you could get away with factory management i think but anthony does a plug in adaptronic kit so if you'r egonna do it do it right